Be careful what we wish for?

[CalallenStang]

Is it bad to wish for a top 25? Is it bad to wish for a victory over a ranked BCS team? Is it bad to wish for a 10+ win season? Is it bad to wish for being invited to a better bowl? I do not think so. For the record I think June can make a run next year for that.

Responding to the bolded sentence - I have underlined the key word. June CAN make a run next year for that. However, June WON'T make a run next year for that.

Making that run would require working hard in recruiting, preparing the team properly for each and every game (not just games in Hawaii), and genuinely caring. June has proven that he cannot be bothered to put in the required effort to do those things. Therefore, while June CAN make a run for a great season, he won't.

The question has never been what June can or can't do. It's what he will and won't do.

[PlanoStang]

Is it bad to wish for a top 25? Is it bad to wish for a victory over a ranked BCS team? Is it bad to wish for a 10+ win season? Is it bad to wish for being invited to a better bowl? I do not think so. For the record I think June can make a run next year for that.

the forever delusional ponyfan. Our recruiting has sucked. Explain to me how we are suddenly going to win 10 games and go to a bcs game? There's something called "building a program" which is completely foreign to JJ and staff. Instead he started assembling the program, lost a few pieces, got confused by the instructions and threw the half assembled thing in the garage.

Is it bad to wish for a top 25? Is it bad to wish for a victory over a ranked BCS team? Is it bad to wish for a 10+ win season? Is it bad to wish for being invited to a better bowl? I do not think so. For the record I think June can make a run next year for that.

You expect a coach to suddenly win 10 games, and go to a BCS game

[KillBilly]

Many Big 12 fans consider Tech's win versus SMU a victory to be proud of. In other words, they respect SMU's program more than many posters on this board. Your team isn't improving by leaps and bounds but it is improving.

[sbsmith]

Many Big 12 fans consider Tech's win versus SMU a victory to be proud of. In other words, they respect SMU's program more than many posters on this board. Your team isn't improving by leaps and bounds but it is improving.

Guessing these fans don't follow SMU football.

[SoCal_Pony]

Is it bad to wish for a top 25? Is it bad to wish for a victory over a ranked BCS team? Is it bad to wish for a 10+ win season? Is it bad to wish for being invited to a better bowl? I do not think so. For the record I think June can make a run next year for that.

the forever delusional ponyfan. Our recruiting has sucked. Explain to me how we are suddenly going to win 10 games and go to a bcs game? There's something called "building a program" which is completely foreign to JJ and staff. Instead he started assembling the program, lost a few pieces, got confused by the instructions and threw the half assembled thing in the garage.

While at SMU, JJ is 6-25 vs teams with winning records. Over the past 4 seasons that SMU has gone bowling, our average Sagarin ranking has been #64, with our best season being 2011, when we were ranked #51.

Serious question, what is going to change with JJ to get us to Top 25?

[SMU_Alumni11]

I'm hoping (based on tech game and the previous season) after the whooping AM, TCU, possibly Montana st... Gives up maybe these JJ sunshiners will finally see the light. But that's an actual high expectation that I think will never be met.

[SoCal_Pony]

I see Tech, TCU, A&M and Cincy as the most likely opponents with winning records this year with the possibility of Rutgers and UCF.

That's 6 teams and at best I see 2-4, more likely 1-5.

Once again to SMU2007's question, what is going to change to make us Top 25?

[PonySnob]

I see Tech, TCU, A&M and Cincy as the most likely opponents with winning records this year with the possibility of Rutgers and UCF.

That's 6 teams and at best I see 2-4, more likely 1-5.

Once again to SMU2007's question, what is going to change to make us Top 25?

Once all of our DITR recruits start panning out..........

[Peruna94&07]

I am thinking Mason has a shot at Head coach. He has been one of the more productive coaches. Then Jason get moved to full time OC calling the plays.
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[Webmaster]

I think the webmaster meant that if we fire June Jones we could end up with someone worse. June may be mediocre as a recruiter but there is no denying that he motivates his players and puts them in a position to succeed. The last 4 season have been better than any 4 in 25 years at SMU. Ideally we can take that next step but enjoy the current success and don't take anything for granted.

Correct. I personally think Orsini hit the lotto with June Jones. After Orsini was turned down by every "name" coach available, we landed Jones because Jones had basically backed himself into a corner by delivering an ultimatum to U of Hawaii's administration. U of Hawaii called Jones' "bluff", and at that point he had to either stay and be a puppet or move on. And SMU, home of Jones' buddy Eric Dickerson, was the ONLY college gig that was still unfilled. An unbelievably lucky series of events where the stars aligned just perfectly for us.

I've never personally talked to June about this, and with his fondness for websites I doubt he'd ever talk to us about his true motivations for coming to SMU. But that's my take based on the evidence at hand.

So for those calling for June's head, I just thought I'd throw the cautionary "be careful what you wish for" point out there. I don't personally have a beef with Turner, but most of the folks who are calling for June's head also seem to be in the anti-Turner crowd. Turner (through AD Copeland) hired Mike Cavan and Phil Bennett, so what makes anyone think the next football coach will be a pigskin version of Larry B?

As for the June vs. Larry argument, if I had more free time on my hands, I'd love to go back through the old posts and pull some quotes from the PonyFans who were griping about the Larry Brown announcement and now think the man walks on water. I also seem to remember a bunch of folks who were pissed about Orsini not being able to land Jankovich for the head coaching job, so it's interesting to see how that turned out.

Believe me, I had more than my fill of people accosting me at work Tuesday morning about the Mustangs loss to Tech. So I'm not happy either. But the progress over the last 5 years is undeniable. So do we continue to progress, or do we take a flyer and hope that going a different direction would yield better or faster results? History does't indicate that will be the case.

[Rebel10]

I expect 1 or 2 win season after June retires. Also, I don't think Jank was super high on anyone's list like you are saying. We were going for big boys not someone from Illinois State. I think LB himself said that he would have hired Danny Manning to be next in line instead of Jank had he been hired sooner. Any old coaches you think that would want to come to SMU with football skins on the wall? For every Larry Brown there are 2 Paul Pasqualonis. We are doomed. Wait a minute what about Bill McCartney? He would fit the LB mode.

[SMU2007]

So for those calling for June's head, I just thought I'd throw the cautionary "be careful what you wish for" point out there. I don't personally have a beef with Turner, but most of the folks who are calling for June's head also seem to be in the anti-Turner crowd. Turner (through AD Copeland) hired Mike Cavan and Phil Bennett, so what makes anyone think the next football coach will be a pigskin version of Larry B?

I think this is the ultimate form of "loser mentality". We have a coach with obvious, serious flaws, namely complete apathy in regard to recruiting, yet we are afraid to move on because it "might be worse"? That is just plain silly. If June is the best we can do here at SMU, we all might as well just forget about football altogether and stop wasting our time spending any energy following the program. We can, and should, do better.

As for the June vs. Larry argument, if I had more free time on my hands, I'd love to go back through the old posts and pull some quotes from the PonyFans who were griping about the Larry Brown announcement and now think the man walks on water. I also seem to remember a bunch of folks who were [deleted] about Orsini not being able to land Jankovich for the head coaching job, so it's interesting to see how that turned out.

You might be right. Some people might have griped about LB when he was announced as coach.

However, I think those people stopped fairly immediately when he showed from damn near day 1 that he was incredibly serious in rebuilding the hoops program. I'd like someone to argue the same for Jones...

[ponyboy]

Jones was incredibly serious about rebuilding this program. And he did. But I don't believe he will take us any further. We need to kill ourselves working until we get to Top 25. That is the next goal. I don't care how we get there.

[SMU2007]

Jones was incredibly serious about rebuilding this program. And he did. But I don't believe he will take us any further. We need to kill ourselves working until we get to Top 25. That is the next goal. I don't care how we get there.

Couldn't agree with you more ponyboy. He's done his part and has now plateaued/declined. Time to move on.

[sbsmith]

So for those calling for June's head, I just thought I'd throw the cautionary "be careful what you wish for" point out there. I don't personally have a beef with Turner, but most of the folks who are calling for June's head also seem to be in the anti-Turner crowd. Turner (through AD Copeland) hired Mike Cavan and Phil Bennett, so what makes anyone think the next football coach will be a pigskin version of Larry B?

I think this is the ultimate form of "loser mentality". We have a coach with obvious, serious flaws, namely complete apathy in regard to recruiting, yet we are afraid to move on because it "might be worse"? That is just plain silly. If June is the best we can do here at SMU, we all might as well just forget about football altogether and stop wasting our time spending any energy following the program. We can, and should, do better.

Seems like these June lovers just don't want to allow for the fact that a replacement could actually be better than a sub .500 coach that doesn't care about recruiting.