June Goeth

[ponyinNC]

we are who we thought we are..err..were.

[DiamondM]

June Jones can coach. Tom Mason can coach. SMU is a well coached football team-June has just horribly managed Texas recruiting. If he hired 4 young aggressive recruiters and kept his core staff he would be a lot smarter coach on gameday

Here's my problem with this statement. Our recruiting situation cannot be worse than teams like Tulane, Rice, or h-e-l-l Montana State. Yet even though on paper we should be better than these teams with way more recruiting challenges than we have, we consistently fail to show up to games against legitimate competition, when these teams actually put up more of a fight than we do. Or, we flat out lose to teams who we should be handily on paper. This tells me it is not just a recruiting problem, but a coaching problem as well.

The only time it seems June can actually run an offense is in the last minute of each half and when in the Hawaiian islands.

[SMU2007]

I'd like to see the numbers on total number of bcs offers held by recruiting class by school. Surely we'd be in the bottom 5 in the country, no? (Hyperbole, but it'd be bad)

[SC Pony]

"June Jones can coach. ... SMU is a well coached football team"

Respectfully disagree, I might could out-coach him.

[Bergermeister]

"June Jones can coach. ... SMU is a well coached football team"

Respectfully disagree, I might could out-coach him.

I'm sure you can also out-preach the preacher, out-teach the teacher, out-opinion the sportswriter, out-brain your co-workers, out-parent your neighborhood families and manage your city and school system better. Perhaps YOU are ... "the most interesting man in the world."
If the coaching job comes open, be sure to toss your hat in the ring.

[mustangxc]

"June Jones can coach. ... SMU is a well coached football team"

Respectfully disagree, I might could out-coach him.

I'm sure you can also out-preach the preacher, out-teach the teacher, out-opinion the sportswriter, out-brain your co-workers, out-parent your neighborhood families and manage your city and school system better. Perhaps YOU are ... "the most interesting man in the world."
If the coaching job comes open, be sure to toss your hat in the ring.

That applies to all SMU fans! Isn't that why we are hated?

We're not snobs, we're just better than you!

[Tx_Mustang10]

I'm not going to argue that June has a very good recruiting ethic, but if this argument is going to continue, let's not forget where we are in the scheme of Texas college football. High school students looking to play football, before SMU, choose between:
Texas A&M (now, probably ahead of UT)
Texas
TCU
Baylor
& Texas Tech (somehow, despite how disgusting it is)
[Oklahoma & Oklahoma St probably need a spot on this list, too, given their proximity]
In most cases, only when none of those offer, does the student choose between SMU, Houston, or Rice.

So what I am saying is, sadly, June does not get his 'pick of the litter' like some think he does. Before looking out-of-state, we rival for the 6th best team in-state, meaning we are going to lose the players we want every season until something very dramatic changes that.

As a result, you simply cannot compare JJ's recruiting to LB's. Larry Brown recruits in a state where, though UT used to be a decent powerhouse in basketball, it is not right now; but Baylor is pretty good. So in basketball, you throw all these schools aside, and put us in a clustered tie, all in an irrelevant third place. From third, a hoss like Larry Brown can make a major impact, bring in recruits, and take us to being one of the best. Texas football is so much deeper and established though...

With all that being said, June's recruiting efforts appear to me wanting, and many of his coaching calls are suspect. I'm with those who appreciate what he's done, but eagerly await our step-up. I just don't think recruiting will be a ton easier for the next coach [but full crowds, Jon Gruden, a revamped appearance that makes our apparel 'cool' to wear in inner-city Dallas high schools, and maybe a game each season at Cowboy Stadium could get us closer].

[RyanSMU98]

With all that being said, June's recruiting efforts appear to me wanting

This line right here sums it up for me with JJ. I think your assessment of where we stand in the pecking order is pretty accurate, but it is the complete lack of interest in trying to challenge that pecking order in any way that frustrates me. I find it hard to believe that the argument of A) "I put kids in the NFL", B) "while you're here you'll get a great education so you know how to spend your millions and not end up like Vince Young", and C) "would you rather be in Lubbock where the high points are cow tipping and the annual Cowboy Symposium, or in Dallas with tons of things to do and extensive business connections when you get out?" is really that hard to sell. We just don't seem to have a staff that can or will make that pitch.