Who is on the CoC?

[ponyte]

From the good old days
1972, home average 25,648 (7-4)
1973 19,956 (6-4-1)
1974 28,312 (6-4-1) 1975 25,110 (4-7)
Mustang Mania
1978 51,960 (4-6-1)
1979 (first year in Texas Stadium) 55,758 (5-6)
1980 (Holiday Bowl, final ranking #20) 36,773 (8-4)
Post DP
1989 21,999 (2-9)
1990 20,587 (1-10)
1999 (last year in Cotton Bowl) 19,625 (4-6)
2000 (1st year in Ford) 21,815 (3-9)

One might argue that we have fairly consistent attendance regardless of record with the exception of a brilliant marketing campaign for 1978-1979 and the Pony Express era.

[SMU_Alumni11]

It's always a copout to blame the fans... If we actually went 10-2, win bowls that matter, beat and at least always compete against the big name teams and then our fan support is still bad then yes blame the fans. 7 mediocre wins a season doesn't bring the hardworking successful people of Dallas to our stadium if anything it pushes them to tcu or Baylor that actually are fun (mainly baylor).

[Arkpony]

When I was at SMU we had enuf students in the Cotton Bowl to do Card Shows..Nice crowds also. We outdrew the Cowboys and Texans.

[mrydel]

When I was at SMU we had enuf students in the Cotton Bowl to do Card Shows..Nice crowds also. We outdrew the Cowboys and Texans.

Well you were there when they were just Cowbabies.

[Charleston Pony]

If that is the list then I know a few of them and they have nothing but SMU as their prime objective. I feel better knowing some of these boosters are in a decision making position.

Question is, would they be willing to pay June $2 million to go away in 2014 while paying a comparable amount for a new coach and top-notch assistants?

If I were C of C I would have a hard time writing many more checks. Not because Jones hasn't performed (I am one of those who actually thhought that going to 4 bowls in a row was unthinkable in my lifetime), but because of our deplorable fan support. IMO, a humble one, I felt that our highwater mark since the DP was when we beat TCU at Fort Worth a couple of years ago and then beat UCF, the defending CUSA champ, by a very impressive margin the next week. Ford was pratically empty on that beautiful autumn day, and I think that the players and recruits were a little surprised at how little anyone cared about the team. Under these circumstances, I'd find it hard to dole out the kind of change that the C of C came up with to lure Jones here ever again.

I agree that was the turning point for any positive momentum under JJ. I think he was completely demoralized and immediately became open to other opportunities. That was the ASU year, right? That was the year he lost Klemm, right? Can you really blame him/them? We talk a good game, but there just doesn't appear to be enough of us who care to put SMU back on the football map. If only another 10,000 had showed up for that UCF game...we might have locked in some new fans and really built some momentum. I think you are right about the C of C. At some point, you get tired of pouring money down a black hole. Right now, it looks like SMU bball is a much better investment.

[Topper]

From the good old days
1972, home average 25,648 (7-4)
1973 19,956 (6-4-1)
1974 28,312 (6-4-1) 1975 25,110 (4-7)
Mustang Mania
1978 51,960 (4-6-1)
1979 (first year in Texas Stadium) 55,758 (5-6)
1980 (Holiday Bowl, final ranking #20) 36,773 (8-4)
Post DP
1989 21,999 (2-9)
1990 20,587 (1-10)
1999 (last year in Cotton Bowl) 19,625 (4-6)
2000 (1st year in Ford) 21,815 (3-9)

One might argue that we have fairly consistent attendance regardless of record with the exception of a brilliant marketing campaign for 1978-1979 and the Pony Express era.

Excellent illustration of our role in Dallas post Cowboys/ Texans. I liked the energy and enthusiasm of the Mustang Mania days too, but those butts in the seats didn't translate into a big boost in revenue. In fact, I remember Bob Hitch explaining that we made more money with a crowd of 30,000 than we made with a 50,000 Mustang Mania crowd.

[Topper]

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If I were C of C I would have a hard time writing many more checks. Not because Jones hasn't performed (I am one of those who actually thhought that going to 4 bowls in a row was unthinkable in my lifetime), but because of our deplorable fan support. IMO, a humble one, I felt that our highwater mark since the DP was when we beat TCU at Fort Worth a couple of years ago and then beat UCF, the defending CUSA champ, by a very impressive margin the next week. Ford was pratically empty on that beautiful autumn day, and I think that the players and recruits were a little surprised at how little anyone cared about the team. Under these circumstances, I'd find it hard to dole out the kind of change that the C of C came up with to lure Jones here ever again.[/quote]


I agree that was the turning point for any positive momentum under JJ. I think he was completely demoralized and immediately became open to other opportunities. That was the ASU year, right? That was the year he lost Klemm, right? Can you really blame him/them? We talk a good game, but there just doesn't appear to be enough of us who care to put SMU back on the football map. If only another 10,000 had showed up for that UCF game...we might have locked in some new fans and really built some momentum. I think you are right about the C of C. At some point, you get tired of pouring money down a black hole. Right now, it looks like SMU bball is a much better investment.[/quote]

Yes, that was the ASU year, and I was perplexed by those who could have blamed him for thinking about moving to a team that plays in front of an audience that includes more than friends and family of the players and whatever visiting team fans we can lure to Dallas.

[PlanoStang]

If that is the list then I know a few of them and they have nothing but SMU as their prime objective. I feel better knowing some of these boosters are in a decision making position.

Question is, would they be willing to pay June $2 million to go away in 2014 while paying a comparable amount for a new coach and top-notch assistants?

If I were C of C I would have a hard time writing many more checks. Not because Jones hasn't performed (I am one of those who actually thhought that going to 4 bowls in a row was unthinkable in my lifetime), but because of our deplorable fan support. IMO, a humble one, I felt that our highwater mark since the DP was when we beat TCU at Fort Worth a couple of years ago and then beat UCF, the defending CUSA champ, by a very impressive margin the next week. Ford was pratically empty on that beautiful autumn day, and I think that the players and recruits were a little surprised at how little anyone cared about the team. Under these circumstances, I'd find it hard to dole out the kind of change that the C of C came up with to lure Jones here ever again.

Ford pratically empty against UCF I'm thinking it was half full against a far away practically
unkown to the general population opponent.

Yup, I'd find it hard to dole out the kind of change that the C of C came up with to lure Jones
here ever again, too. Don't think we'll be hiring him again after firing him.

[redpony]

topper- I am really tired of you p!ssing all over the fans. I went to that UCF game with 5-6 of my kids/grandkids (who I bought tickets for). The stands were not very full - but that was on the visitors side. Now why don't you go to the UCF site and beatch to them???

Face it- Dallas fans will not support a mediocre team that is totally unexciting. FACT!!!
If we want non-SMU Dallas fans to support us then we need to win big games, have an exciting team that is not ho-hum boring and play teams that they know about.. And have a coach that gives a damn about the school and the community. IMO jj engages neither.

IMO the CofC are all successful businessmen who know that if your product is second rate (i.e.- totally sucks) then it won't be very successful. Either they want to step up to the plate and move us forward or they prefer that we drop down to a level of fball that the university can support financially. The decision is theirs and will be obvious at the end of this season.

[max the wonder dog]

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If I were C of C I would have a hard time writing many more checks. Not because Jones hasn't performed (I am one of those who actually thhought that going to 4 bowls in a row was unthinkable in my lifetime), but because of our deplorable fan support. IMO, a humble one, I felt that our highwater mark since the DP was when we beat TCU at Fort Worth a couple of years ago and then beat UCF, the defending CUSA champ, by a very impressive margin the next week. Ford was pratically empty on that beautiful autumn day, and I think that the players and recruits were a little surprised at how little anyone cared about the team. Under these circumstances, I'd find it hard to dole out the kind of change that the C of C came up with to lure Jones here ever again.

I agree that was the turning point for any positive momentum under JJ. I think he was completely demoralized and immediately became open to other opportunities. That was the ASU year, right? That was the year he lost Klemm, right? Can you really blame him/them? We talk a good game, but there just doesn't appear to be enough of us who care to put SMU back on the football map. If only another 10,000 had showed up for that UCF game...we might have locked in some new fans and really built some momentum. I think you are right about the C of C. At some point, you get tired of pouring money down a black hole. Right now, it looks like SMU bball is a much better investment.[/quote]

Yes, that was the ASU year, and I was perplexed by those who could have blamed him for thinking about moving to a team that plays in front of an audience that includes more than friends and family of the players and whatever visiting team fans we can lure to Dallas.[/quote]


UCF may have been the CUSA Champion, but except for the hardcore sports fan, it's a directional school no one has heard of or cares about. Northern Illinois had a great season last year, but does anyone think they would attract casual fans to Ford? UCF used to be Florida Tech. It's only been UCF for 30 or so years, and the football team has been in the FBS for less than 20 years. Unless it's Southern Cal, games against directional schools are not going to put incremental numbers of butts in seats. No excuse for June's hissy fit.

[PlanoStang]

If that is the list then I know a few of them and they have nothing but SMU as their prime objective. I feel better knowing some of these boosters are in a decision making position.

Question is, would they be willing to pay June $2 million to go away in 2014 while paying a comparable amount for a new coach and top-notch assistants?

If I were C of C I would have a hard time writing many more checks. Not because Jones hasn't performed (I am one of those who actually thhought that going to 4 bowls in a row was unthinkable in my lifetime), but because of our deplorable fan support. IMO, a humble one, I felt that our highwater mark since the DP was when we beat TCU at Fort Worth a couple of years ago and then beat UCF, the defending CUSA champ, by a very impressive margin the next week. Ford was pratically empty on that beautiful autumn day, and I think that the players and recruits were a little surprised at how little anyone cared about the team. Under these circumstances, I'd find it hard to dole out the kind of change that the C of C came up with to lure Jones here ever again


I agree that was the turning point for any positive momentum under JJ. I think he was completely demoralized and immediately became open to other opportunities. That was the ASU year, right? That was the year he lost Klemm, right? Can you really blame him/them? We talk a good game, but there just doesn't appear to be enough of us who care to put SMU back on the football map. If only another 10,000 had showed up for that UCF game...we might have locked in some new fans and really built some momentum. I think you are right about the C of C. At some point, you get tired of pouring money down a black hole. Right now, it looks like SMU bball is a much better investment.

Good coaches are most always open to listen at potentially better opportunities. See Ron
Meyer I'd be a lot more worried right now, if he hadn't received a couple of serious
looks

But....If a Vince Lombardi, or Knute Rockne type expresses serious interest, JJ might be in
serious trouble. What're the odds

[redpony]

I have no problem with him talking with ASU- changing jobs is a fact of life. My problem with him was his lack of integrity and ethics by recruiting our recruits while still an SMU employee thinking he had the ASU job.
I will have a hard time ever forgiving him or our university. He peeded in RGT face and RGT just smiled and said go ahead. JJ should have been terminated for just cause. The fact that he wasn't has caused me to quit supporting all fball events until jj is gone...

[Grant Carter]

I have no problem with him talking with ASU- changing jobs is a fact of life. My problem with him was his lack of integrity and ethics by recruiting our recruits while still an SMU employee thinking he had the ASU job.
I will have a hard time ever forgiving him or our university. He peeded in RGT face and RGT just smiled and said go ahead. JJ should have been terminated for just cause. The fact that he wasn't has caused me to quit supporting all fball events until jj is gone...

It would have been so much better if he had told kids who asked about ASU that he was only recruiting them for SMU and he did not want them on his team if he got the ASU job. That would have really made them want to play for him at SMU if he did not get the ASU job...

Kids commit to the coach as much or more than the school, best thing he could have done for SMU in that situation was tell them that they were great players and he wanted them whether he was coaching SMU or ASU.


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[redpony]

There is no valid reason why he should have been talking about ASU to them. They were not aware he was looking at another job.

[sbsmith]

It would have been so much better if he had told kids who asked about ASU that he was only recruiting them for SMU and he did not want them on his team if he got the ASU job. That would have really made them want to play for him at SMU if he did not get the ASU job...

Kids commit to the coach as much or more than the school, best thing he could have done for SMU in that situation was tell them that they were great players and he wanted them whether he was coaching SMU or ASU.


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It would have been so much better if he had waited to actually become ASU's coach before trying to take those recruits.