Finally, a realistic OCC schedule

[MustangStealth]

Re: No expectations and no prestige. What was a reasonable expectation for this year's OOC schedule? 1-3. What's the prestige in hovering near the basement after losing big and going 1-3?

It is not unreasonable to have expected June Jones to field a team in year 6 that could compete with TCU or Tech. If 6 years isn't enough for him to get his recruits into the system, what is? 10 years? 15? Should we just give June a lifetime contract?

[East Coast Mustang]

Re: No expectations and no prestige. What was a reasonable expectation for this year's OOC schedule? 1-3. What's the prestige in hovering near the basement after losing big and going 1-3?

It is not unreasonable to have expected June Jones to field a team in year 6 that could compete with TCU or Tech. If 6 years isn't enough for him to get his recruits into the system, what is? 10 years? 15? Should we just give June a lifetime contract?

Are we not all in agreement that this needs to be June's last year at this point? I mean I was all about Junesus longer than most people on this board, but gave up defending him after Tulane last year and his abysmal recruiting efforts.

[MustangStealth]

Are we not all in agreement that this needs to be June's last year at this point? I mean I was all about Junesus longer than most people on this board, but gave up defending him after Tulane last year and his abysmal recruiting efforts.

It doesn't matter, the point still stands. The schedules in question are for 2018 on, so it would be year 5+ of a new regime. If we are already conceding that our next coach will not be able to make us at least competitive, then why are we still playing in D1?

[AusTxPony]

Why not just drop down a level - he (casper) admits we aren't competitive with our old SWC mates. I thought that was why jj was brought here- to make us competitive.

Also, IIRC casper said in one of his responses to a ponyfan inquiry that we were indeed competitive. However, this quote in the paper shows that one of those responses was a lie.
i.e. from the DMN.- “In my opinion, our non-conference schedule this year (and last year and, potentially, next year) does not provide our team with the best opportunity for competitive success throughout the course of the season.

But we are competitive with the old SWC foes not in P5 conferences which makes all the difference in recruiting if you're in.

[Stallion]

we seemed to have no problem with joining the Big East with Louisville, Rutgers and Boise-not to mention Navy. The remaining and new schools are looking weak weak. I really don't understand fans that want SMU to remain in CUSA like conferences forever. Then you have the balls to [deleted] about CUSA level bowls? Exactly what level bowl does CUSA 2.0 Conference deserve? With our traveling party get ready for a lot of bowl games, if we are lucky, 40 miles to our west in our rival's stadium.

[SMU_Alumni11]

I can see us going 0-4 next year if JJ is coach...

Also, we should be able to handle this kind of schedule and yet failed. Tech and TCU, if under a good coach, would have been wins along with MSU. A&M sure is a dead game but you throw it in, in hopes to secure a miracle win. Instead we got a turd. We cant even win the first game of our meager conference. Rather than talking about scheduling... HOW ABOUT NEW COACHES!!

[SMU2007]

I really don't understand fans that want SMU to remain in CUSA like conferences forever.

I've read a lot of crazy sh*t on this board, but I have yet to see one comment on here to support that claim. There's enough real things to complain about. No need to make up fake points to argue.

[sbsmith]

I really don't understand fans that want SMU to remain in CUSA like conferences forever.

I've read a lot of crazy sh*t on this board, but I have yet to see one comment on here to support that claim. There's enough real things to complain about. No need to make up fake points to argue.

I think what he's saying is that a lot of these people that want to hide behind weak schedules don't realize that type of cowardice will hurt the program in the long run (a bunch of fake wins in front of lousy crowds won't appeal to P5 conferences thus keeping us in crappy leagues indefinitely).

[Big Hoss]

Until we can show that we can be competitive in any league, we should schedule an easier OOC schedule.

1 game vs. TCU
1 game against a power school like A&M
1 game against a mid-level D1 like UNT
1 game against an FCS


Would I like to be more competitive? Obviously yes, but at this point, we are who we are. I hate being in the position we are in now, having gone 1-3 in OOC, with the 3 losses looking like we got taken behind the wood shed. Sure we looked better against Rutgers, but they aren't that good either.

Frankly, TCU isn't that good either. There only other win this season is against SE Louisiana. They are likely to finish with 5-7 wins this year in a soft Big 12. We made them actually look good by giving up 31 pts in the 4th quarter, what a joke.

[Big Hoss]

I really don't understand fans that want SMU to remain in CUSA like conferences forever.

I've read a lot of crazy sh*t on this board, but I have yet to see one comment on here to support that claim. There's enough real things to complain about. No need to make up fake points to argue.

I think what he's saying is that a lot of these people that want to hide behind weak schedules don't realize that type of cowardice will hurt the program in the long run (a bunch of fake wins in front of lousy crowds won't appeal to P5 conferences thus keeping us in crappy leagues indefinitely).

Prove we can win conference games at will, and then I'll be convinced our tough OOC schedule makes sense. If we go 1-3 OOC, and then win all 8 conference games decisively, then maybe I'd be somewhat ok with it.

[sbsmith]

Prove we can win conference games at will, and then I'll be convinced our tough OOC schedule makes sense. If we go 1-3 OOC, and then win all 8 conference games decisively, then maybe I'd be somewhat ok with it.

Get a real staff in here and you'll see how beneficial a tough OOC can be for us. I realize all the people in favor of cowardly scheduling are sick of getting beat down by good teams but they need to ask themselves why those teams are so much better than us and how we change that instead of trying to weaken the schedule to make lousy talent look better.

[Big Hoss]

Prove we can win conference games at will, and then I'll be convinced our tough OOC schedule makes sense. If we go 1-3 OOC, and then win all 8 conference games decisively, then maybe I'd be somewhat ok with it.

Get a real staff in here and you'll see how beneficial a tough OOC can be for us. I realize all the people in favor of cowardly scheduling are sick of getting beat down by good teams but they need to ask themselves why those teams are so much better than us and how we change that instead of trying to weaken the schedule to make lousy talent look better.

Fair point. But let's get the staff in first, and then be in a position to say our OOC schedule is too weak.

[Stallion]

OK so we get the staff in 2014
2014-2015 rebuilding
2016 AD Calls P5 to schedule games in 2021, 2022,2023, 2024, 2025

GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's how this game works-do we have any knowledgeable college football fans here?
The only games scheduled on 1 year notice are body-bag paydays on the road
When we scheduled for this year-Baylor was horrible, TCU was non-BCS and A&M was struggling. You honor your home game contracts-cause in a few more years I have serious doubts whether those teams will be playing non-P5 road games-that's where college football is going-especially with stadium improvements at Tech, TCU and Baylor-they have no reason to play SMU on the road in the future when we will bring our 1,000-1,800 traveling party when we play on the road. Just get Texas ST, SFA, Sam Houston, UTSA to play body bag game. You guys may be willing to retreat into irrelevancy and play before 15,000 -some of us aren't. Nobody would be concerned about playing that caliber of schedule in Basketball and the only difference is we have an incompetent football recruiting staff

[Big Hoss]

I can't remember ever resorting to name calling with you Stallion, but really, you don't have to be a pr!ck.

We get when these games were scheduled, but even when A&M was struggling, and Baylor was horrible, they still beat us. Or have you forgotten that 2005 game in College Station when we got beat I think 63-8' or something like that? And when Baylor beat us at Ford around that same time like 17-12?

I'm glad we got out of the Baylor game this year because they probably would have beaten us worse than they just beat West Virginia and we'd be winless. Ultimately, if you don't have a plan other than "let's just fill our OOC schedule with former SWC rivals" then you really don't have a strategy at all. Sounds like Hart is trying to take that into consideration now, which is good.

[Big Hoss]

But sure, let's just load up our schedule with teams that will beat us easily by 30 every game, and we can be the whipping boys of college football instead of Savannah State. I'm just saying we could dial it back a bit.