Proof of a staff that's quit

[EastStang]

A couple of thoughts. Any Grambling players that might be of interest, now is the time to strike. Secondly, its not proof of a staff that's quit. I mean you're a stud player, you get offers from Big XII schools, SEC schools, Big Ten Schools, ACC schools and PAC10 schools as well as Mountain and AAC schools. Which one is going to get your attention? Now I understand that if the offers are from Duke, Wake Forest, Mississippi State, Iowa State, Wyoming, Minnesota, Washington State that's a different set of offers from A&M, OU, UT, FSU, Michigan, Oregon, UCLA that's a different strata. Our conference relegates us, like it or not to gems in the rough, toaster leavings.

[smusportspage]

Geez, I saw a well prepared team last Saturday that executed a winning game plan on both sides of the ball. Eliminate some stupid turnovers and it’s a blow out win. That indicated to me the staff was very much involved and desired to win. I guess actual coaching no longer is a job requirement for coaching. I guess the only requirement for coaching now is to be able to recruit.

I understand that if a coach recruits incredible talent, winning is much easier. I think back to the unlimited scholarship days of Bo Schembechler and how he went from a great always wining coach to mediocre once he was limited by scholarships who he could recruit. Less talent revealed a less successful coach.

And I get the desire to go after and land higher quality recruits. No doubt better talent increases one’s chance to win. And We have room to recruit better talent to be sure.

I just had this old fashion notion that coaching a sport involved, well, coaching that sport. I didn’t know in the modern era that coaching was no longer part of coaching.

When did that change?

Interesting concept isn't it? Prime example....UT, which has done less with more than any other program. All top level recruits, but coaching still matters.

[Stallion]

....and yet Mack Brown coaching in the Big Leagues has won more games in just about every year of his career than June Jones coaching in Triple A and Double A Football Leagues. Care to explain that?

[East Coast Mustang]

EastStang makes a good point. We're automatically behind the 8 ball with recruits who have offers from Big 12 and SEC schools. That's just a fact.

We need to focus on transfers from P5 schools as much as possible IMO....

[smusportspage]

....and yet Mack Brown coaching in the Big Leagues has won more games in just about every year of his career than June Jones coaching in Triple A and Double A Football Leagues. Care to explain that?

Stallion, given where the programs have come from and presently are, do you really believe Coach Brown has out performed Coach Jones? My goodness, if anything, it would be streching to even say that it is close. You can not say that Coach Brown has not under preformed. Coaching does matter. Coach Jones is a very good Coach. Recruiter, well not so much.

[Billy Joe]

Recruiting needs to be much improved if we are going to take the next step and continue to compete in this new conference. No easy answers but I would like to see more transfers and a few more juco guys brought in to allow the staff to redshirt most of the freshmen every year.

[ericdickerson4life]

Stallion, given where the programs have come from and presently are, do you really believe Coach Brown has out performed Coach Jones? My goodness, if anything, it would be streching to even say that it is close. You can not say that Coach Brown has not under preformed. Coaching does matter. Coach Jones is a very good Coach. Recruiter, well not so much.

Like Mack or not. Think he can coach or not. Think he can recruit or not. The UT program is heads and shoulders a better job today than when he took it over. I don't think UT is going to North Carolina for their next head coach. The dude has won over 77% of his games at UT and that includes the last four years when they weren't national relevant. I'd say he's outperformed June on just about every aspect. Everyone is so short sighted. Prior to the 2010 season Mack might have been the consensus for the best college football coach in the country.

[Stallion]

during the last 3 season Mack even out performs June. Texas is still 21-11 during last 3 seasons. SMU is 17-15 in Triple A Ball. Previously, a record 9 straight double digit wining seasons in the Big Leagues? June Jones would get fired in 3 years in the Big Leagues-he would be completely out of his league

[smusportspage]

Glad you are sure about that. Maybe it just boils down to perception.
Compare the top level recruits that Texas gets to the low level recruits (your definition) SMU gets. Hence, my reference to where each program came from. Mack still got the top level recruits but under performed by Texas standards the last three years. June has won more games at SMU than any other post DP coach. He has turned a losing program around to a winning one. Coach Jones has done better than Coach Brown given what they had to work with.

[Stallion]

and June Jones can't even get a job in the Big Leagues.Seriously, if he such a great Coach how come nobody wants him. How come when rumors leak that he gets the ASU job an unprecedented deluge of negative publicity is unleased heretofore never seen in college football. He doesn't recruit in as Big League manner, his Coaching Staff is not a Big Time College Football Staff and his rinky-dink offense can't stay on the same field with decent BCS teams

[smusportspage]

Yes,I will go ahead and say it.....with what Texas has had to work with during Coach Brown's tenure, they should be playing at Alabama level year in and year out. They are not even close to that level. Very disappointing.

[East Coast Mustang]

No one does less with more than Mack Brown. Texas should be in contention for the Big XII championship every single year and a top 15 team every single year

[smusportspage]

and June Jones can't even get a job in the Big Leagues.Seriously, if he such a great Coach how come nobody wants him. How come when rumors leak that he gets the ASU job an unprecedented deluge of negative publicity is unleased heretofore never seen in college football. He doesn't recruit in as Big League manner, his Coaching Staff is not a Big Time College Football Staff and his rinky-dink offense can't stay on the same field with decent BCS teams

He has still won more games than any other post DP coach. Just saying everything has to be taken into perspective. He may not recruit but he sure does alot with the players he has. Maybe, just maybe, that has a little something to do with COACHING!

[Stallion]

It's too bad you are so [deleted] ignorant about what went on around here for 2 decades. Play your little game-show your ignorance-June Jones would not have taken the job offered to his predecessors. He's admitted it. Therefore, the performance of his predecessors is essentially irrelevant because he never played under that Model.

[LA_Mustang]

Coach Jones is a very good Coach. Recruiter, well not so much.

Usually coaches who are good at coaching the game but aren't interested in recruiting end up in the NFL. Can you please give me examples why you feel JJ is a very good coach, and when you say that I assume you mean he's very good at preparation and in game adjustments/management. IMO, his teams at SMU more times than not look unprepared, unmotivated and consistently making boneheaded mistakes. As many have pointed out, we have not played a complete game all year. Every player on this roster was brought here by JJ, so if they aren't playing complete games, consistently making mistakes and often looking like they're just going through the motions. In your opinion, is that the players fault or the coaches fault?