To put our 2013 OOC slate into perspective...

[Grant Carter]

IPF won't build relationships at Desoto, Lancaster, Allen, Duncanville, Cedar Hill, and numerous other Metroplex and Texas recruiting hotspots. I really think the IPF is quickly becoming the crutch of choice for a lot of SMU fans. It would be great-but its not anywhere close to the real problem

Crutch for some, strawman for others. It was not mentioned by anyone on this thread until this post.

I agree we should not have dropped Baylor, but his point that SMU had the toughest out of conference schedule even after dropping a top 10 team has not been refuted by anyone on this thread. He did not say anything about whether or not we should have dropped them, anything about the strength of our conference or overall schedule, anything about recruiting, anything about June or anything about the IPF. Why is it not possible to just discuss a particular point in isolation without everyone making sure that it is put in perspective relative to their other grievances? There are a lot of things people disagree about obviously, but when that makes it impossible to discuss specific points in isolation from broader issues it just turns the board into 50 threads saying the same things, which is not as interesting, to me, as discussion about range of topics.

I took the post to be pointing out that smu's out of conference schedule, already considered by many to be the hardest in the country, would have ended up being incredibly impressive if we had not dropped Baylor. Funny part of that is that the two teams ranked highest are the teams I think most would have expected to be the 2nd and 4th best coming into the season.


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[Cougar King]

If you're going to complain about tough schedule then you should've stayed in CUSA.

[SMU2007]

The day after JJ tried to leave for ASU and was allowed to return is the day you knew SMU was not all in to be successful in football. We are paying dearly for that today. It was the catastrophic moment in this program's history and in turn we will never be a part of the p5

I disagree. SMU is a stepping stone job and ASU is certainly an upwards move. I have no problem with him trying to get a better job. He could have and should have handled the whole situation better (not pretend like he wasn't ever planning on leaving and the whole recruiting for ASU issue), but the attempt to move in and of itself is not the reason why SMU is in the position it is in. Had he come back to SMU and busted his tail, we'd be fine. Unfortunately, that is not the case.

[ponyinNC]

If you're going to complain about tough schedule then you should've stayed in CUSA.

Exactly!

I don't know if it is just my opinion, or if it is the new reality based on the conference realignment we have seen over the past few years, but if our Admin is not "all-in" on making SMU a respcted football program that can move up and succeed on a "P5" level, I am through with supporting mediocrity and systemic failure.

I know we are short on funds in the Athletic Dept. We had counted on Big East money between $7-10M a year, and we would up with about $2M. But that doesn't mean that we have to accept that "kids table" status. I want to be Louisville, Boise, UCF, TCU, or any other program that has picked itself up off the ground and made noise in the CFB world and gained respect from casual CFB fans. I want to see a packed Ford, with folks watching meaningful games against good competition.

I just don't know if that day will ever come. And it really saddens me, because I thought JJ was going to be the savior of SMU fb. I didn't realize that his recruiting would be so bad, and that our admin would still set up roadblocks to our success.

I've said it 1000 times. I want "buy-in" from our BOT, President, AD, Faculty, students, alums, community from the top on down. It is the only way we will ever succeed.

[East Coast Mustang]

IPF won't build relationships at Desoto, Lancaster, Allen, Duncanville, Cedar Hill, and numerous other Metroplex and Texas recruiting hotspots. I really think the IPF is quickly becoming the crutch of choice for a lot of SMU fans. It would be great-but its not anywhere close to the real problem

Crutch for some, strawman for others. It was not mentioned by anyone on this thread until this post.

I agree we should not have dropped Baylor, but his point that SMU had the toughest out of conference schedule even after dropping a top 10 team has not been refuted by anyone on this thread. He did not say anything about whether or not we should have dropped them, anything about the strength of our conference or overall schedule, anything about recruiting, anything about June or anything about the IPF. Why is it not possible to just discuss a particular point in isolation without everyone making sure that it is put in perspective relative to their other grievances? There are a lot of things people disagree about obviously, but when that makes it impossible to discuss specific points in isolation from broader issues it just turns the board into 50 threads saying the same things, which is not as interesting, to me, as discussion about range of topics.

I took the post to be pointing out that smu's out of conference schedule, already considered by many to be the hardest in the country, would have ended up being incredibly impressive if we had not dropped Baylor. Funny part of that is that the two teams ranked highest are the teams I think most would have expected to be the 2nd and 4th best coming into the season.


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Thank you.

[sbsmith]

We're definitely still in C-USA, the new paint job hasn't fooled anyone.

[East Coast Mustang]

If you're going to complain about tough schedule then you should've stayed in CUSA.

Your OOC slate this year is a complete joke in every sense of the word. Southern, Rice, UTSA, and BYU. The only respectable team there is BYU and they're not even P5. Please run along now.

[sbsmith]

If you're going to complain about tough schedule then you should've stayed in CUSA.

Your OOC slate this year is a complete joke in every sense of the word. Southern, Rice, UTSA, and BYU. The only respectable team there is BYU and they're not even P5. Please run along now.

Blasphemy, this is Ponyfans where everyone is supposed to be awed by garbage wins in front of half-empty crowds. That's the way you build a program.

[feelthehorsepower]

If you're going to complain about tough schedule then you should've stayed in CUSA.

Your OOC slate this year is a complete joke in every sense of the word. Southern, Rice, UTSA, and BYU. The only respectable team there is BYU and they're not even P5. Please run along now.

Only reason houston was 4-0 starting conference play was because of their joke of a OOC schedule.

SMU would have been potentially 6-0 with this schedule coming into Temple:

1) Stephen F Austin
2) Montana State
3) UNT
4) Texas State
5) Rutg
6) Memphis

But no, our OOC schedule was a blessing in disguise. It is a litmus test to see how we are doing compared to the Big 12 that we want to join. It shows our holes, and gives us insight in how to play teams at that caliber.

I am in favor of tough OOC schedules, and would like tougher teams to play against as well. Only way to get rep.

Other way is to start scheduling lower tier P5 teams. With this schedule, SMU should have a chance at saying we beat Big 12/SEC teams without being embarrased:

1)ACC (NC State)
2) Big 12 (Kansas, or K state)
3) Pac 12 (Cal, or team having a bad year)
4) Big 12 (Iowa State or West virgina, or TCU)

That is how we build rep faster... "We beat teams in the Big 12, Pac 12 and ACC!!"

[Cougar King]

Your OOC slate this year is a complete joke in every sense of the word. Southern, Rice, UTSA, and BYU. The only respectable team there is BYU and they're not even P5. Please run along now.

We have a rivalry series going with Rice that we've been playing for over 40 years, don't know why we have a 1-1 with UTSA but whatever. In the case of Southern, why not buy a win? Point being, we mastered the art of scheduling as have Boise and TCU.

Don't get mad because your AD cannot grasp such a simple concept. You play 1 tough OOC, 1 moderate OOC and the rest are patsies.

Blasphemy, this is Ponyfans where everyone is supposed to be awed by garbage wins in front of half-empty crowds. That's the way you build a program.

5-1 (That one loss being a 47-46 shootout) + highly confident true freshman QB with some exp under his belt= conference title run ad doing it right.

2-4 + not so confident team and heavily battered due to injuries sustained in addition to very tough scheduling= limping out of the gate and not doing it right.


Apparently others think we're doing it right since despite losing, we have Top 25 votes and are just outside the Top 25 in the BCS poll.

[Cougar King]

Only reason houston was 4-0 starting conference play was because of their joke of a OOC schedule.

SMU would have been potentially 6-0 with this schedule coming into Temple:

1) Stephen F Austin
2) Montana State
3) UNT
4) Texas State
5) Rutg
6) Memphis

But no, our OOC schedule was a blessing in disguise. It is a litmus test to see how we are doing compared to the Big 12 that we want to join. It shows our holes, and gives us insight in how to play teams at that caliber.

I am in favor of tough OOC schedules, and would like tougher teams to play against as well. Only way to get rep.

Other way is to start scheduling lower tier P5 teams. With this schedule, SMU should have a chance at saying we beat Big 12/SEC teams without being embarrased:

1)ACC (NC State)
2) Big 12 (Kansas, or K state)
3) Pac 12 (Cal, or team having a bad year)
4) Big 12 (Iowa State or West virgina, or TCU)

That is how we build rep faster... "We beat teams in the Big 12, Pac 12 and ACC!!"

Actually, we were 1-0 starting conference play since we played Temple after thrashing Southern. Second, that only works IF you actually beat those teams which you haven't yet. We almost always beat our "marquee" opponent in OOC because we're smart with our scheduling. (2013 was impressive shootout with BYU, 2011 we beat UCLA, 2009 we beat Texas Tech, #5 Ok State and #21 Mississippi State and so on.)

[Cougar King]

Exactly!

I don't know if it is just my opinion, or if it is the new reality based on the conference realignment we have seen over the past few years, but if our Admin is not "all-in" on making SMU a respcted football program that can move up and succeed on a "P5" level, I am through with supporting mediocrity and systemic failure.

I know we are short on funds in the Athletic Dept. We had counted on Big East money between $7-10M a year, and we would up with about $2M. But that doesn't mean that we have to accept that "kids table" status. I want to be Louisville, Boise, UCF, TCU, or any other program that has picked itself up off the ground and made noise in the CFB world and gained respect from casual CFB fans. I want to see a packed Ford, with folks watching meaningful games against good competition.

I just don't know if that day will ever come. And it really saddens me, because I thought JJ was going to be the savior of SMU fb. I didn't realize that his recruiting would be so bad, and that our admin would still set up roadblocks to our success.

I've said it 1000 times. I want "buy-in" from our BOT, President, AD, Faculty, students, alums, community from the top on down. It is the only way we will ever succeed.

This guy gets it.

[East Coast Mustang]

Don't get mad because your AD cannot grasp such a simple concept. You play 1 tough OOC, 1 moderate OOC and the rest are patsies.

That's what we're doing going forward. Baylor, TCU, UNT, and an FCS most likely. You spend enough time here, you should know that already. Also the current slate was scheduled before Rick Hart got to SMU

[sbsmith]

Remember everyone, the only way to build a program is to accumulate fake wins over trash in front of half-empty crowds. Bragging about competitive losses is also totally attractive to P5 conferences.

[Cougar King]

Remember everyone, the only way to build a program is to accumulate fake wins over trash in front of half-empty crowds. Bragging about competitive losses is also totally attractive to P5 conferences.

If it adds a 1 in the win column, it's not a fake win. You're clearly jealous of UH's recent success. SMU can achieve it too, they just have to work at it.