SMU Baylor Recruiting Comparison

[OldPony]

I don't know who was 1st saying fire JC but it doesn't really matter. It seems many are starting to rumble the drum beat to fire Bennett and that doesn't make any sense without a change at AD, If this team doesn't perform well, it will be a tough review of COPELAND by any non biased reviewer. Copeland has hired both Bennett and Cavan. If Bennett doesn't berform he will try to fire Bennett to save his own sorry [deleted]. Neither were horrivle coaches but we need superior coaching to start the move back. We will probbvly have to gamble. You and I agreed aboutone less than large gamble in Waters but once we selected Bennett, I got behind him quicker than you although you got behind him after his 1st recruiting class. His game day coaching is weak.At the appropriatetime, we will need to take a large gamble next time I really wish we could win under Bennett, otherwise we are back at the firingf of Rossley again timewise.

[JudgeChamber]

recruiting rankings don't really mean anything at this point. It's what are you doing with the talent you have. Morriss has turned 2* recruits into All-Big XII performers.

Daniel Sepulveda was a walk-on LB when he came to Baylor, now he's the best punter in the nation.

Braelon Davis was a 2* CB recruit, and he was a All-Big XII Freshman team CB last year.

Nick Pace was a 2* lineman that was an All-Big XII Freshman his true freshman year and will be a starter at RT after missing last year to recovering from surgery.

Dominique Zeigler was a 2* WR that earned All-Big XII honors last year, and was rated the 4th best WR in conference by the Rivals publishers.

CJ Wilson was a 2* CB, and I'm pretty sure, though not certain, that he received some All-Big XII recognition as a freshman.

We've also gotten a number of project types that are turning out incredibly well. Vincent Rhodes came in as a DE, but has bulked up to 299 and is tearing up practices at DT. Dan Gay was a basketball player that didn't play football until his senior year. He's 6'5" 305 who runs a 4.8 40 now and is a very athletic DT who is developing technique to go with his athleticism. Geoff Nelson was a 2* DE recruit that played last year as a TRFR and had two sacks and 9 tackles in limited duty. He's added weight to his frame while keeping his 4.6 speed. He'll be an impact player this year.

Then there are our transfers from other D1 programs that don't figure into the ratings:

Alton Widemon - Cornerback from Tulane who played there as a true freshman, starting six games. Should earn a starting role this fall. Incredibly strong and physical player.

Nick Moore - Linebacker from Georgia Tech. Played as a true freshman on special teams and as a backup on defense. Will challenge and probably earn a starting position this fall. very athletic player.

Will Blaylock - Center from Tulane. Played as TRFR and TRSO for Tulane earning letters both years.

Matt Lott - JUCO transfer this year rated 3* by rivals and 4* by Insider, allowed only one sack all year last year for the leading JUCO offense, earned JUCOAA honors.

Now these guys might not have figured into the recruiting rankings correctly, or at all, so I wouldn't put too much into those numbers.

And just so you know, the guy that will be ripping you apart on that weekend will be Paul Mosley, the 4* running back who is just hitting his stride and who Morriss said is going to have a "special" year.

[Stallion]

the fact is that Baylor is perrenially last in the Big South in recruiting and perrenially last in the Big 12 South. Go sell that somewhere else because I can't think of a better example of the reasons recruiting matters.

[PonyExpress]

No, what this shows is that recruiting a few good players is not enough. Just as PonyFans are excited about some of the players Coach Bennett has recruited, JudgeChamber's argument underscores the pleas for patience with the construction of the team. As BU has started to collect better players — albeit not enough of them — they have gotten a little better. Last year, thanks to some of those players, they beat A&M. If Coach Morriss and his staff keep recruiting (and developing) players, the improvement will continue. Winning takes better players, and a lot of them.

[JudgeChamber]

the fact is that Baylor is perrenially last in the Big South in recruiting and perrenially last in the Big 12 South. Go sell that somewhere else because I can't think of a better example of the reasons recruiting matters.

Last in what? The rankings? That's the whole point of my post. The rankings don't matter once the guys get on campus and have a redshirt year.

You think that if coaches knew that Braelon Davis would not only be an All-Big XII Freshmen cornerback, be the first to pick off Reggie McNeal, and be on the National Champion 4x400 relay team, that he would have gotten a lot more attention, and subsequently gotten rated higher? I would say almost certainly.

You think that if coaches knew that Nick Pace would come in as a true freshman and be the best player on Baylor's line, that he would have gotten more attention?

Or if they knew that Dominique Zeigler was going to be the Offensive MVP for an All-Star game, and then be All-Big XII his sophomore year that he would have gotten more attention?

Baylor coaches have shown the ability to find kids that despite not being recruited heavily. They might not have the highest rated classes, but other coaches are picking up on their hits. Many of our recruits in the last class got a lot of offers after they got their Baylor offer. Many got hit hard by other Big XII schools after committing to Baylor (McDonald and Boatner, two 2* players, got offers from LSU and OSU, but remained committed to Baylor). But they probably aren't players, are they?

Rankings are a good indication for how schools did recruiting the highly rated players, but they aren't a good indication of the talent level of the current team. Those are two different things. Development, late-bloomers, where the student-athlete came from, experience; all these things figure into the talent level of the current team.

Morriss is building the lines by recruiting TEs that have good athleticism and good frames to build on. they aren't going to be world-beaters at the TE position, many run around a 4.7 or 4.8, but that's hella fast for a OT or OG. Dan Sherwood is a perfect example. 6'6" 242, runs a 4.84 40. He'll add 40-50 pounds to that frame by the time he see the field in a year and then he'll be a 6'6" 290 OT that can really move. Jason Lamb is another one. Jordan Hearvey is another one. Jason Smith is another one.

In two years, we'll have a line full of guys that are 6'5" 290 - 6'6" 310, that can all move with great speed, can all pull and trap, and can play either guard or tackle. But they are ALL 2* recruits. So are you going to say that because the guys along the lines average 2*s out of high school that we don't have a great lineman? I'd hope you wouldn't because that would be the height of ignorance.

Try to show a little depth in your thinking. SMU is building in the same way, and I think Bennett is the man to do it for ya'll. It requires patience, yes, and it requires time, but both schools are developing.

[Stallion]

Look pal in 5 years Baylor will still be last in the Big 12 South-you can cite all the individual recruits you want it still doesn't change the fact that for evey decent recruit you have UT and OU have about 5 times more great recruits a lot better than yours. UT and OU have dominated in recruiting for the last 5 years and they dominate in the standings. Baylor is last in recruiting and last in the standing. Go give your Pep Talk to someone who might fall for that load of crap. Or stick to Basketball where it looks like you are much more competitive in recruiting which will become quite evident in future years. You people trying to deny the importance of recruiting are just lame.

[BUTitan]

Look pal in 5 years Baylor will still be last in the Big 12 South-you can cite all the individual recruits you want it still doesn't change the fact that for evey decent recruit you have UT and OU have about 5 times more great recruits a lot better than yours. UT and OU have dominated in recruiting for the last 5 years and they dominate in the standings. Baylor is last in recruiting and last in the standing. Go give your Pep Talk to someone who might fall for that load of crap. Or stick to Basketball where it looks like you are much more competitive in recruiting which will become quite evident in future years. You people trying to deny the importance of recruiting are just lame.

Where did he deny the importance of recruiting?

[SoCal_Pony]

It seems many are starting to rumble the drum beat to fire Bennett and that doesn't make any sense without a change at AD, If this team doesn't perform well, it will be a tough review of COPELAND by any non biased reviewer.

OP,

I see Bennett’s firing as a catalyst to Copeland’s firing. That is why I would rather see us go 0-11 than 3-8.

[DallasDiehard]

Let me get this straight: you're ROOTING for another winless season?

[JudgeChamber]

Look pal in 5 years Baylor will still be last in the Big 12 South-you can cite all the individual recruits you want it still doesn't change the fact that for evey decent recruit you have UT and OU have about 5 times more great recruits a lot better than yours. UT and OU have dominated in recruiting for the last 5 years and they dominate in the standings. Baylor is last in recruiting and last in the standing. Go give your Pep Talk to someone who might fall for that load of crap. Or stick to Basketball where it looks like you are much more competitive in recruiting which will become quite evident in future years. You people trying to deny the importance of recruiting are just lame.

Look pal...?

Here's the funny thing: OU and UT aren't the only teams that play in the Big XII south! WoW!

And here's another thing: when you put individul recruits together, they form a TEAM! Amazing! So, if these individual players are much better two years down the road than they were given credit for as 18 year old kids, and they form a team, then perhaps that team could be better than it's ratings? Get it? It's called a logical progression.

Baylor has been more competitive every year Morriss has been here, and will take another step forward this year. You want to know the first step on this years journey? It's gonna be kicking the crap out of your ponies. I'll be there and enjoying every moment of the game. You have no answer for Mosley and our line. You'll have no one that can cover Zeigler or Gettis. And you have one good receiver. One. And who's going to throw it to him? From the people I've talked to that have been to ya'lls practices, the receivers and QBs are having a very, very hard time hooking up. Your offensive line is being hit by injuries and is really thin as it is. Your entire defense has no combination of size and speed. There's some speed, but no size in some players, and some size but no speed in others.

You'd better start praying right this minute that the game with within 3 TDs, because that's something I seriously doubt.

[SoCal_Pony]

Let me get this straight: you're ROOTING for another winless season?

No DD, I am rooting for a winning season.

But if Bennett has a repeat of last years’ recruiting class, with only 1 confirmed player receiving multiple quality BCS offers, then yes…I would rather have a 0-11 season and hope both Copeland and Bennett get fired than languish through more of the same…and as I have posted earlier, that is not necessarily a reflection on Bennett.

So how do we get Copeland out of here??? Losing….well…on second thought, maybe not…but you get the gist.

[SWC2010]

You'd better start praying right this minute that the game with within 3 TDs, because that's something I seriously doubt.

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[Stallion]

you do realize don't you that you named 3 of Baylor's best recruits over the last few years. Thanks for making my point. And BTW every other team in the Big 12 out recruited you every one of the last 5 years which is why they all finished above you too in each of the last 5 years.

[JudgeChamber]

you do realize don't you that you named 3 of Baylor's best recruits over the last few years. Thanks for making my point. And BTW every other team in the Big 12 out recruited you every one of the last 5 years which is why they all finished above you too in each of the last 5 years.

Zeigle was a 2* recruit. There's no way he should be a threat, right? You just made my point for me. You don't need to recruit 4* and 5* recruits to be competitive in the Big XII. I want the players the coaches want, not the players Rivals tells people are good.

And the reason for our standings in the Big XII had more to do with Kevin Steele than anything else. The next 5 years is what I'm looking at, not the last.

[jtstang]

Zeigle was a 2* recruit. There's no way he should be a threat, right? You just made my point for me. You don't need to recruit 4* and 5* recruits to be competitive in the Big XII.

Perhaps, but you aren't competitive in the Big 12, so it's hard to tell from the Baylor example.