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by MrMustang1965 » Sat Aug 20, 2005 3:45 am
oakley wrote:We have several AA candidates.
I'm sorry to hear that. I hope they get some help. Please pass this info on to them after the SMU game. They'll need it.
Alcoholics Anonymous - 1.6 miles NW - 1628 Lyle Ave, Waco, 76708 - (254) 752-5317
Alcoholics Anonymous - 1.2 miles SW - 3201 Franklin Ave # 9, Waco, 76710 - (254) 754-3336
Triangle Group Alcoholics - 0.6 miles SW - 221 N 25th St, Waco, 76710 - (254) 757-1111
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by BUTitan » Sat Aug 20, 2005 10:37 am
MrMustang1965 wrote:oakley wrote:We have several AA candidates.
I'm sorry to hear that. I hope they get some help. Please pass this info on to them after the SMU game. They'll need it. Alcoholics Anonymous - 1.6 miles NW - 1628 Lyle Ave, Waco, 76708 - (254) 752-5317 Alcoholics Anonymous - 1.2 miles SW - 3201 Franklin Ave # 9, Waco, 76710 - (254) 754-3336 Triangle Group Alcoholics - 0.6 miles SW - 221 N 25th St, Waco, 76710 - (254) 757-1111 
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by BUTitan » Sat Aug 20, 2005 10:50 am
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by Corso » Sat Aug 20, 2005 11:18 am
oakley wrote:can we get Clif Notes on some of these posts?
Too much to read? Hang in there -- you'll get faster. oakley wrote: .... We have an OLine that is 30 pounds heavier per man than your DLine....
That's not unusual. All offensive lines generally are bigger than the defensive lines they line up against. Without having studied the Baylor defensive line, I would guess that our offensive line is bigger than your defensive line, too. That alone doesn't mean a great deal. Let's see, if we start with a line of Darrin Johnson, Caleb Peveto, Ben Poynter, Brad Kieschnick and Martin Guidry (and I don't know if that's the starting five we'll trot out there), that means we're looking at looking at a starting five that averages about 293 pounds per man. And that doesn't even count the size shift if Chris Urbanus and Kenard Burley get in there. So you have big offensive linemen. You always did. We've got some big guys up front, too. oakley wrote:Our #1 RB has already said he will outrush Adrian Peterson - we will see.
And I'm going to out-earn Mark Cuban. I said it, so it must be true, right? You're not really going to hitch your hopes to a quote from a guy (Paul Mosley) who piled up a whopping 582 rushing yards last year, at a scalding 52.9 yards per game, are you? I'm sure Mosley is a talented guy, and you have a big offensive line. But don't you, as a Baylor fan, kind of cringe when he says he's going to out-rush the best RB to hit college in years? Don't you wish he'd just keep that thought to himself? Because with all due respect, the only way he fulfills that prediction is if Peterson gets hurt. oakley wrote:We have several AA candidates.
OK, I'm not trying to be rude here, but .... no you don't. Part of All-America recognition is reputation. I don't know who you're considering an All-America candidate, but let's say it's Dominique Ziegler. Terrific player, agreed? OK, he plays at Baylor. Teddy Ginn plays at Ohio State, and had announcers and writers (read: "All-America voters") across the country singing his praises all year, because (A) Ohio State wins a lot of games, (B) made a major bowl game and (C) is on TV all the time. Baylor doesn't, didn't, and isn't. So entering the season -- right or wrong -- Ginn has a leg up on on Ziegler in the minds of voters. Doesn't matter if he's actually a better player .... he starts the race with a lead. Then consider all the stud WRs at USC, Tennessee, the Florida schools, Texas, OU, etc., and it's clear that while Ziegler is a very talented player who might well merit AA consideration, he's going to have to finish first or second in just about all receiving statistics, and he's going to have to simply blow away the competition. Because if he catches 10 touchdowns and has 1,000 receiving yards, and a guy at Michigan or Florida State or Spurrier U or USC puts up the same statistics, who do you think is going to be named All-America? Right. It might not be fair, but it's not going to be Ziegler. I realize that's unjust, and frankly, I'll root for a guy like Ziegler, because he's an extraordinary talent. But it's not going to happen. Wait .... you do have an All-America candidate: your punter. Congratulations. I don't know that I'd brag about an All-America punter, but hey, Sepulveda's damn good. Re-name the stadium after him. oakley wrote:All to say, you will have a better shot at winning in collieville, than Sep 3.
I really hope you're not being allowed to get behind the wheel on public streets, because cars can be dangerous. Do you realize what you just said? A better chance to win in Kyle Field against an Aggie team that has made several preseason top-20 lists and has one of the best home-field advantages in the country, as opposed to the home opener, when we have the same season-opening optimism that every team in the country has at this time of year, against a team that admittedly pulled off a huge upset last year against A&M but has lesser talent, with an SMU team that lost by 3 in your place two years ago and (while your man Morriss is a fine coach) has increased its talent level as much as you have? Do you realize how that statement sounds? oakley wrote:Promise me you will not get "down" after this game. SMU should not fire Phil (he's a great coach and building it the right way), though as I have said, it wouldn't surprise me if more 'stang coaches didn't quit before the season is over to pursue other interests (life insurance sales or whatever).
Thank god you wrote some of the other statements above, or the stupidity of this one would have been blinding. SMU might win this game, in which case we'll be happy .... but we'll turn our attention to the next game. Baylor might win this game, in which case we'll be disappointed .... but we'll turn our attention to the next game.
Quit in the middle of the season? Are you serious? That's not a "SMU's coaches are better than your coaches" comment -- your coaches aren't going to quit in the middle of the season either. If (and only if) Texas and Oklahoma both beat the hell out of Baylor, by 50 or 60 points or something, would you really assume that Coach Morriss's assistants would seek new careers? Of course not! Every coach on the SMU staff and every coach on the Baylor staff is aware that they're not likely to win every game they play, because they don't have the same talent as some other tams. That's not a shot at the BU staff or the SMU staff. It's a fact. Both rosters carry better players than the last time the two teams met. But they're not sporting a Miami/USC/LSU roster. But coaching is a very trying career. Every coach puts in insane hours. The chance that a coach -- a head coach or an assistant -- stays at a single school for a long time is slim. The days of the Bobby Bowdens and Joe Paternos and LaVell Edwardses are gone. If a coach were to quit one of these schools, he likely wouldn't ever get a coaching job again. And with the time and travel (recruiting) involved, you don't get involved unless it's a passion, really a part of who you are. Coach Bennett's assistants aren't going to quit during the season, just as Coach Morrises won't quit during the season either. Your "don't get down" is so thoughtful, but keep in mind that when you live in Dallas, there are ways to enjoy life even when your team loses a game. I don't know what I'd do if I rooted for a team that looked and played like Notre Dame during the Gerry Faust era, and then had to address the fact after each game that I still lived in Waco.
Who knows, I might even get on another school's messageboard and make outlandish statements just to entertain myself.
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by BaldingBear » Sat Aug 20, 2005 11:52 am
Corso, why can't Baylor be proud of their punter? Last seasons Ray Guy Award winner, arguably the best punter in the nation. Punters are members of teams aren't they? Why are they supposed to be ignored? Isn't a large part of football about field position? 'Flipping the field' as they say. Games can be won or lost on field position, pinning the opponent deep in their own territory. And no, he is not Baylor's only good player, they have plenty. He is the only current one of All-American caliber, but those are a rare breed. 119 teams, say 100 players per team, that's 11,900 players of which only 22 are All-American. How many does SMU currently have? In years to come Baylor will have several more All-Americans, that aren't punters, just like they have in their past seasons.
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by Stallion » Sat Aug 20, 2005 11:54 am
Great Points-but I think I'd like the Cliff Note version myself. Oakly's full of [deleted] but don't underestimate Mosely(he's is about 6-3, 230 and he's going to be a good one), Zeigler, Baylor's OLM, and DBs like Willie Andrews, Airline and the Lane kid. They have sprinkled some nice players in the lineup but this is still a game that SMU CAN win at home -again after 6 wins in 3 years what's the point of claiming we're going to kick your [deleted]". However Oakly is correct that Baylor have a HUGE advantage in the trenches when they have the ball and I fear that's where the game may be decided in Baylor's favor-unless injury questionmarks Rogers and Muse turn potentiality into reality and Bonds and Haywood prove that they can play competently in Division 1A. Right now the Jury is out on all those players.
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by giacfsp » Sat Aug 20, 2005 11:04 pm
I agree - great points, one and all. Nearly bullet-proof.
BaldingBear is right - you can't dismiss the punter as irrelevent. But at the same time, the best punter in the world is important, but still not exciting.
Unless it's Ryan Mentzel.
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by GoRedGoBlue » Sat Aug 20, 2005 11:33 pm
BaldingBear wrote:Corso, why can't Baylor be proud of their punter? Last seasons Ray Guy Award winner, arguably the best punter in the nation. Punters are members of teams aren't they? Why are they supposed to be ignored? Isn't a large part of football about field position? 'Flipping the field' as they say. Games can be won or lost on field position, pinning the opponent deep in their own territory. And no, he is not Baylor's only good player, they have plenty. He is the only current one of All-American caliber, but those are a rare breed. 119 teams, say 100 players per team, that's 11,900 players of which only 22 are All-American. How many does SMU currently have? In years to come Baylor will have several more All-Americans, that aren't punters, just like they have in their past seasons.
Morris is on record as saying that their punter is arguably their best LB, but that they are so bad at P they cannot do without him...
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by SMUguy » Sun Aug 21, 2005 1:07 pm
Corso, that's as thorough and convincing a post as I've ever read. What a surprise that oakley hasn't mustered a response.
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by BeerBus Tailgatin Aggie » Sun Aug 21, 2005 7:08 pm
Baylor 24
SMU 20
Baylor isn't that good, but you guys aren't either. I could see SMU winning this one though. I love how Baylor fans think they actually have a wothy team after one fluke upset. They will win 0-1 games in conference this year AGAIN.
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by PlanoStang » Sun Aug 21, 2005 7:36 pm
BeerBus Tailgatin Aggie wrote:Baylor 24 SMU 20
Baylor isn't that good, but you guys aren't either. I could see SMU winning this one though. I love how Baylor fans think they actually have a wothy team after one fluke upset. They will win 0-1 games in conference this year AGAIN.
Wasn't really a fluke. You guys have a history of that kind of game.
Your slogans, and locker room postings for the upcoming SMU game
could be REMEMBER THE ALAMODOME  , or the almost KYLE
FIELDAMO around 95. The refs rode in to a last minute charge bugle
call to rescue you all in the 95 game.
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by BeerBus Tailgatin Aggie » Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:01 pm
yes it was a fluke... we were leading the nation in turnover margin going into the BU game. We turned the ball over 5 times inside our side of the field, had a punt blocked, outgained Baylor in total yardage by quite a lot, and still only lost by one.
Most normal Baylor fans and friends I have realize it was a fluke and are expecting another blowout this year. Morriss is a great coach, but he will never get BU better than 5th in the south, and he knows it. If by chance, he ever got BU to a bowl game, a bigger and better program would come calling. Baylor is a blackhole for football, especially in the Big 12.... if this was the SWC, I would think otherwise.
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by MrMustang1965 » Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:07 pm
BeerBus Tailgatin Aggie wrote:Baylor is a blackhole for football...
Damn. Everyone else says that's us! 
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by BaldingBear » Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:18 am
Beer Tail Aggie-call it a fluke it that makes you feel better about it but it was not a fluke. Baylor outplayed and outscored A&M last year simple as that. They even ran the same play for the 2pt. conv in OT that they ran for the TD in OT and the Aggies still couldn't defend it. I remember Reggie hadn't thrown an INT up until that game but Baylor got good pressure on him and forced him to throw a couple. That's good defense not a fluke. Also Baylor answered every score that A&M put up that nite. Going into the 4th qtr the score was 13-13. A&M then scored to go up 20-13 but BU game right back &tied it at 20. Then the Aggies scored to go up 27-20 and again BU came right back to tie it up at 27, OT baby. In OT A&M got the ball 1st and scored to go up 34-27, Baylor's turn. After Baylor scored morris called timeout and told his team they were going to go for 2 and win it right now. Alas that is what they did. A&M couldn't stop the same play they just saw. Not a fluke just good football. Baylor wins 35-34.
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by BeerBus Tailgatin Aggie » Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:43 am
If you think that win wasn't a fluke, then you don't follow much college football. Flukes happen, and when good teams like A&M have severe off nights (like Clemson-Duke, FSU-Wake, etc.)and the underdogs play lights out that stuff is going to happen. I'm not taking away from the fact that Baylor played lights out that night.
The point I am making is that A&M was looking ahead to OU (and if you don't see that you're ignorant), and we had a very uncharacteristic night of mistakes.
One thing I can promise, is that A&M WILL NOT look past Baylor this year. My prediction.... A&M 45 Baylor 14.
On a side note, unlike many other Aggies, I don't think it will be another 20 years until you beat us again. I think the series will probably have a Baylor win every 6-8 years, much like your series with Texas has gone.
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