Gosselin Doubles Down

[PonySnob]

Let's keep in mind that June has never succeeded against top talent. So if we want to win with June Jones we need to play bad teams.

Best season 12-1...
N. Colorado
Louisiana Tech (OT)
UNLV
Charleston Southern
Idaho
Utah State
San Jose State (OT)
New Mexico State
Nevada
Fresno
Boise St
Washington
Georgia (L)

He beat Boise St. and Washington. Fresno is respectable...not bad. Going undefeated is great in any league.
And yes he got beat down by SEC Georgia...but even Fatterson would've gotten his arse handed to him in that Sugar Bowl

It is an accomplishment to go undefeated in any conference I'll give you that. However in that undefeated season at Hawaii was primarily smoke and mirrors as it was probably the easiest schedule in college football history except for maybe the year Tulane went undefeated (schedule with no ranked teams and only one game against a team in an AQ conference which was Rutgers who finished 6th in the Big East). The WAC had only 3 teams with winning records that year but at least one of them (Boise) was ranked when Hawaii beat them. Washington was 4-9 and 2-7 in the PAC-10, UNLV was 2-10, and 2 FCS teams.

[MustangStealth]

It is an accomplishment to go undefeated in any conference I'll give you that. However in that undefeated season at Hawaii was primarily smoke and mirrors as it was probably the easiest schedule in college football history except for maybe the year Tulane went undefeated (schedule with no ranked teams and only one game against a team in an AQ conference which was Rutgers who finished 6th in the Big East). The WAC had only 3 teams with winning records that year but at least one of them (Boise) was ranked when Hawaii beat them. Washington was 4-9 and 2-7 in the PAC-10, UNLV was 2-10, and 2 FCS teams.

On top of that they only played 1 non-conference road game (2-10 UNLV) and played the only 2 teams with winning records at home (Boise and Fresno). Even both of the FCS teams they played had losing records. That was a very weak schedule.

[ponyinNC]

It is an accomplishment to go undefeated in any conference I'll give you that. However in that undefeated season at Hawaii was primarily smoke and mirrors as it was probably the easiest schedule in college football history except for maybe the year Tulane went undefeated (schedule with no ranked teams and only one game against a team in an AQ conference which was Rutgers who finished 6th in the Big East). The WAC had only 3 teams with winning records that year but at least one of them (Boise) was ranked when Hawaii beat them. Washington was 4-9 and 2-7 in the PAC-10, UNLV was 2-10, and 2 FCS teams.

On top of that they only played 1 non-conference road game (2-10 UNLV) and played the only 2 teams with winning records at home (Boise and Fresno). Even both of the FCS teams they played had losing records. That was a very weak schedule.

I would take an undefeated season, even if it meant playing 4 FCS schools OOC. That would probably get us a top 25 ranking, and maybe higher if our conference mates are ranked. Perhaps we should actually try it. Except that attendance would be 13k instead of 19k -but does that really make much difference? I dunno.

Just playing Devil's advocate here...

[ftworthmustang]

That's JJs answer. Instead of improving our team, lets just play the worst teams we can find. Too much work to build a better team.

[MustangStealth]

I would take an undefeated season, even if it meant playing 4 FCS schools OOC. That would probably get us a top 25 ranking, and maybe higher if our conference mates are ranked. Perhaps we should actually try it. Except that attendance would be 13k instead of 19k -but does that really make much difference? I dunno.

Just playing Devil's advocate here...

So you basically want us to drop to FCS because that's the only way our schedule gets easier. June, that's you, isn't it?

[ponyinNC]

That's JJs answer. Instead of improving our team, lets just play the worst teams we can find. Too much work to build a better team.

Listen, we are where we are. I'm not advocating the status quo, but honestly - if Jones is staying, and if we played the worst teams we could find OOC, then played our usual AAC schedule and actually finished undefeated, we would be ranked. Period. End of story. Hell, if we could have done that this year, we'd be playing in a freaking BCS bowl.

If we have a coach that fails to recruit, and we decide to keep him, then let's go all in! Do things his way and see what happens.

That is not my wish (I'd like Morris personally), but what do we have to lose? 30 point beatdowns at the hands of TAMU and Tech and TCU? I will pass.

Of course, this scenario means we make zero dollars in OOC - which for a small conference school like us, would be suicide.

again, just playing Devil's advocate.

[feelthehorsepower]

It is an accomplishment to go undefeated in any conference I'll give you that. However in that undefeated season at Hawaii was primarily smoke and mirrors as it was probably the easiest schedule in college football history except for maybe the year Tulane went undefeated (schedule with no ranked teams and only one game against a team in an AQ conference which was Rutgers who finished 6th in the Big East). The WAC had only 3 teams with winning records that year but at least one of them (Boise) was ranked when Hawaii beat them. Washington was 4-9 and 2-7 in the PAC-10, UNLV was 2-10, and 2 FCS teams.

On top of that they only played 1 non-conference road game (2-10 UNLV) and played the only 2 teams with winning records at home (Boise and Fresno). Even both of the FCS teams they played had losing records. That was a very weak schedule.

I would take an undefeated season, even if it meant playing 4 FCS schools OOC. That would probably get us a top 25 ranking, and maybe higher if our conference mates are ranked. Perhaps we should actually try it. Except that attendance would be 13k instead of 19k -but does that really make much difference? I dunno.

Just playing Devil's advocate here...

I don't think our attendance would be 13k. The next year our attendance would climb up because we would be ranked and undefeated in the season.

This is how you grow attendance. You keep racking up 10 plus win seasons. Then each year play one P5 team that's beatable (Kansas, Cal, Pitt, NC State etc.) and then add that to your brag book.
Keep doing that for several years until one year you get to the point where you have a perfect season and qualify for a BCS bowl, which after 2014, we will only be able to access the Fiesta Bowl.
An SMU Fiesta Bowl champion will draw more than 32,000 people to the home games, against most teams.
TCU, Cincy, Houston, UNT would be sellouts and the others will draw a decent turnout. The city wants us to do good from what I hear everyday.

This is how you get teams to "FEAR THE HORSE". Worked for TCU just fine, and now they cash in 20M a year while Fatterson gets his feasts no matter he wins or loses.

[ponyinNC]

I would take an undefeated season, even if it meant playing 4 FCS schools OOC. That would probably get us a top 25 ranking, and maybe higher if our conference mates are ranked. Perhaps we should actually try it. Except that attendance would be 13k instead of 19k -but does that really make much difference? I dunno.

Just playing Devil's advocate here...

So you basically want us to drop to FCS because that's the only way our schedule gets easier. June, that's you, isn't it?

my god, overreact more. you sound like a teenage girl.

I want JJ gone as much as anyone, but I am also a realist. If this is the hand we are being dealt, then let's go all in.

[ftworthmustang]

That's JJs answer. Instead of improving our team, lets just play the worst teams we can find. Too much work to build a better team.

Listen, we are where we are. I'm not advocating the status quo, but honestly - if Jones is staying, and if we played the worst teams we could find OOC, then played our usual AAC schedule and actually finished undefeated, we would be ranked. Period. End of story. Hell, if we could have done that this year, we'd be playing in a freaking BCS bowl.

If we have a coach that fails to recruit, and we decide to keep him, then let's go all in! Do things his way and see what happens.

That is not my wish (I'd like Morris personally), but what do we have to lose? 30 point beatdowns at the hands of TAMU and Tech and TCU? I will pass.

Of course, this scenario means we make zero dollars in OOC - which for a small conference school like us, would be suicide.

again, just playing Devil's advocate.

I believe that only one FCS teams counts. Beating four FCS teams will do nothing toward getting ranked. I do agree that if we are stuck with JJ, we need to lower our OOC competition. Getting embarrassed by A&M or Baylor does nothing for the team. As I said earlier, we shouldn't be in this position and the reason we are is on JJ.

[PonyKris89]

At this point, I would be ok with dropping one of our tough OOC games each year, over next few years. I am tired of us starting every year in the hole, it's demoralizing.

Can someone please post our OOC schedule as it now stands? I am just too damn lazy.

[redpony]

Perhaps jj should agree to reduce his salary since he doesn't want to do what is necessary to compete with mid-tier D1 schools. Less work=less pay, right?

[MustangStealth]

I would take an undefeated season, even if it meant playing 4 FCS schools OOC. That would probably get us a top 25 ranking, and maybe higher if our conference mates are ranked. Perhaps we should actually try it. Except that attendance would be 13k instead of 19k -but does that really make much difference? I dunno.

Just playing Devil's advocate here...

So you basically want us to drop to FCS because that's the only way our schedule gets easier. June, that's you, isn't it?

my god, overreact more. you sound like a teenage girl.

I want JJ gone as much as anyone, but I am also a realist. If this is the hand we are being dealt, then let's go all in.

It's not overreaction. The schedule you propose would not meet the requirements for FBS membership (minimum 5 home games against other FBS members). So you are saying you would be willing to drop to FCS to have an undefeated season.

[sbsmith]

I do agree that if we are stuck with JJ, we need to lower our OOC competition. Getting embarrassed by A&M or Baylor does nothing for the team.

Our problem is talent, we could lower our OOC competition and end up with a bunch of losses to MAC/Sun Belt teams in front of 10K fans.

[Stallion]

yeah I think we ought to pay him at the rate of the schedule he is willing to play. Therfore, I would offer him a 1 year extension at 1 Million with no buyout if fired next year. His FMV is damn sure not 2 Million. Then he can get a Sun Belt job and play at the level he is worth

[ftworthmustang]

I think $500K is more appropriate.