DMN's Sherrington on JJ and the SMU situation

[blackoutpony]

the only time i ever saw non-smu students/alumni at smu games was in the 80s.
we were in the swc and kicking behind.
until we are in a bcs conference and are very good/great we have no chance.
it is a truce catch 22.
as ron meyer said, smu is a tough nut to crack.

Recently on the "around the Hilltop" board there was a video clip from the 1950 home coming. Most of it was on campus filming, but towards the end they showed the home coming parade and a bit of the game against A&M. The home coming parade was through downtown Dallas with the street( Main Street I think) lined with people there to watch the parade and the Cotton Bowl (the house that Doak built) was packed full. There was a time when SMU WAS Dallas' team.

It's depressing to watch honestly. To see how far we've fallen....

[PK]

the only time i ever saw non-smu students/alumni at smu games was in the 80s.
we were in the swc and kicking behind.
until we are in a bcs conference and are very good/great we have no chance.
it is a truce catch 22.
as ron meyer said, smu is a tough nut to crack.

Recently on the "around the Hilltop" board there was a video clip from the 1950 home coming. Most of it was on campus filming, but towards the end they showed the home coming parade and a bit of the game against A&M. The home coming parade was through downtown Dallas with the street( Main Street I think) lined with people there to watch the parade and the Cotton Bowl (the house that Doak built) was packed full. There was a time when SMU WAS Dallas' team.

It's depressing to watch honestly. To see how far we've fallen....

It didn't help any that in the mid 60's Dallas suddenly had two pro football teams and the top two state schools were well on their way to being mega large institutions with lots of alums and wanbes.

[feelthehorsepower]

the only time i ever saw non-smu students/alumni at smu games was in the 80s.
we were in the swc and kicking behind.
until we are in a bcs conference and are very good/great we have no chance.
it is a truce catch 22.
as ron meyer said, smu is a tough nut to crack.

Nacho, MustangMania was started for the 1978 season and it was triggered due to having 25k people show up on average to our games and an embarrasing showing of 7k people to the game vs. Rice. (sounds familiar?) We were a 3 win team in 1977. We started the campaign and we immediately boosted our attendance to 52k people. (we had a 4-6-1 season in 1978 but we still brought that many people.) Our attendance did not drop from 40k, and I can bet you anything that a lot of the fans were local Dallas folks. Which is why I am saying we can do it again! It is a catch 22 because we need the crowds to get to the BCS but we need to be BCS to have a stronger following. I will argue that we can increase our attendance substantially without being BCS, but it does help accelerate to be P5.
Even P5 struggle with attendance...

[blackoutpony]

the only time i ever saw non-smu students/alumni at smu games was in the 80s.
we were in the swc and kicking behind.
until we are in a bcs conference and are very good/great we have no chance.
it is a truce catch 22.
as ron meyer said, smu is a tough nut to crack.

Nacho, MustangMania was started for the 1978 season and it was triggered due to having 25k people show up on average to our games and an embarrasing showing of 7k people to the game vs. Rice. (sounds familiar?) We were a 3 win team in 1977. We started the campaign and we immediately boosted our attendance to 52k people. (we had a 4-6-1 season in 1978 but we still brought that many people.) Our attendance did not drop from 40k, and I can bet you anything that a lot of the fans were local Dallas folks. Which is why I am saying we can do it again! It is a catch 22 because we need the crowds to get to the BCS but we need to be BCS to have a stronger following. I will argue that we can increase our attendance substantially without being BCS, but it does help accelerate to be P5.
Even P5 struggle with attendance...

You don't understand the difference between 1978 and 2013 do you? Do you even read anything that's posted here?

[PonyFan]

Same bs as before. Boy, steinberg is really pimping these journalists to get stories out there.

If that were true, what possible reason would the journalists have for helping?
I would think they would ignore any and all such requests.

[feelthehorsepower]

the only time i ever saw non-smu students/alumni at smu games was in the 80s.
we were in the swc and kicking behind.
until we are in a bcs conference and are very good/great we have no chance.
it is a truce catch 22.
as ron meyer said, smu is a tough nut to crack.

Nacho, MustangMania was started for the 1978 season and it was triggered due to having 25k people show up on average to our games and an embarrasing showing of 7k people to the game vs. Rice. (sounds familiar?) We were a 3 win team in 1977. We started the campaign and we immediately boosted our attendance to 52k people. (we had a 4-6-1 season in 1978 but we still brought that many people.) Our attendance did not drop from 40k, and I can bet you anything that a lot of the fans were local Dallas folks. Which is why I am saying we can do it again! It is a catch 22 because we need the crowds to get to the BCS but we need to be BCS to have a stronger following. I will argue that we can increase our attendance substantially without being BCS, but it does help accelerate to be P5.
Even P5 struggle with attendance...

You don't understand the difference between 1978 and 2013 do you? Do you even read anything that's posted here?

Enlighten me Blackout Pony.
We won 3 games in 1976, 4 games in 1977, 4 games in 1978, 5 games in 1979 and it wasn't until 1980 that we went 8-4. We have won more than 7 games since 2009 except 2013 where we only won 5.

Apart from that...what differences do you see? 20k avg attendance, 3 win seasons...20k avg attendance, 5-8 win seasons

[redpony]

PF- probably for a few reasons. IMO journalists like to write about controversial things so they can get more readership. Also, I believe that sports agents- especially well know ones have a lot of pull with writers. i.e. my s.i.l. was represented by Hendricks Bros. in Houston. They happened to represent a lot of big names so when they needed a favor the writers were usually very willing to listen as it might mean they could get a few favors in return later. JMHO

[blackoutpony]

I'd love to enlighten you FTHP. For one, the conference we played in. That would bring fans from other teams. And more importantly, there was a lot less to compete for fans attention back then. You didn't have 9 billion games every weekend streamed into your pocket in HD.

Why pay good money to go to watch SMU play Temple when I could watch LSU and Alabama duke it out on my recliner with an ice cold beer in my hands in my climate controlled house? Hell, even if it's free, it's just a lot easier to sit on your couch and nurse your hangover.

Attendance is down across all of college football which is why Mustang Mania would not work today. Are there things that we could do to maybe help here and there? Sure, but you're not going to see some massive increase in attendance because of billboards. And especially focusing them at just UP and HP as you suggested. Yes, you had some clever plays on words, I'll give you that, but we don't need to increase the perception that we are a park cities team and not dallas team anymore than we are already stereotyped.

- sorry for feeding him guys

[feelthehorsepower]

I'd love to enlighten you FTHP. For one, the conference we played in. That would bring fans from other teams. And more importantly, there was a lot less to compete for fans attention back then. You didn't have 9 billion games every weekend streamed into your pocket in HD.

Why pay good money to go to watch SMU play Temple when I could watch LSU and Alabama duke it out on my recliner with an ice cold beer in my hands in my climate controlled house? Hell, even if it's free, it's just a lot easier to sit on your couch and nurse your hangover.

Attendance is down across all of college football which is why Mustang Mania would not work today. Are there things that we could do to maybe help here and there? Sure, but you're not going to see some massive increase in attendance because of billboards. And especially focusing them at just UP and HP as you suggested. Yes, you had some clever plays on words, I'll give you that, but we don't need to increase the perception that we are a park cities team and not dallas team anymore than we are already stereotyped.

- sorry for feeding him guys

I suggested UP and HP billboards because you could play with the words. We can find out some more for Dallas.
But we need to educate people about our program. Lots of people don't even know we play in Div 1 FBS.
And our games aren't that expensive...not right now at least. And our season tickets are very reasonably priced.

[blackoutpony]

I'd love to enlighten you FTHP. For one, the conference we played in. That would bring fans from other teams. And more importantly, there was a lot less to compete for fans attention back then. You didn't have 9 billion games every weekend streamed into your pocket in HD.

Why pay good money to go to watch SMU play Temple when I could watch LSU and Alabama duke it out on my recliner with an ice cold beer in my hands in my climate controlled house? Hell, even if it's free, it's just a lot easier to sit on your couch and nurse your hangover.

Attendance is down across all of college football which is why Mustang Mania would not work today. Are there things that we could do to maybe help here and there? Sure, but you're not going to see some massive increase in attendance because of billboards. And especially focusing them at just UP and HP as you suggested. Yes, you had some clever plays on words, I'll give you that, but we don't need to increase the perception that we are a park cities team and not dallas team anymore than we are already stereotyped.

- sorry for feeding him guys

I suggested UP and HP billboards because you could play with the words. We can find out some more for Dallas.
But we need to educate people about our program. Lots of people don't even know we play in Div 1 FBS.
And our games aren't that expensive...not right now at least. And our season tickets are very reasonably priced.

But almost everyone that didn't go to SMU would rather watch UT, A&M, BU, TCU, TT, Bama, LSU, Florida, OSU, Michigan, OU, OSU, USC, UCLA, Stanford, Florida State..... you get the picture. They'd rather watch other things on a giant TV on their couch. It's not about cost, it's about the product. You can only sell so much of a crappy product.

[Grant Carter]

PF- probably for a few reasons. IMO journalists like to write about controversial things so they can get more readership. Also, I believe that sports agents- especially well know ones have a lot of pull with writers. i.e. my s.i.l. was represented by Hendricks Bros. in Houston. They happened to represent a lot of big names so when they needed a favor the writers were usually very willing to listen as it might mean they could get a few favors in return later. JMHO

The bolded part seems much more likely than some kind of organized push by Steinberg to ask anti-June questions in chats in hope that the reporter will a) answer them at all, b) answer them in a way he wants them answered and c) pull them out of the chat and post in a place where people who were not in the chat will actually see them.

[SMUer]

If they aren't watching our recruitment boards, I'm uninterested in their opinion. It is uniformed.

[Rebel10]

PF- probably for a few reasons. IMO journalists like to write about controversial things so they can get more readership. Also, I believe that sports agents- especially well know ones have a lot of pull with writers. i.e. my s.i.l. was represented by Hendricks Bros. in Houston. They happened to represent a lot of big names so when they needed a favor the writers were usually very willing to listen as it might mean they could get a few favors in return later. JMHO

The bolded part seems much more likely than some kind of organized push by Steinberg to ask anti-June questions in chats in hope that the reporter will a) answer them at all, b) answer them in a way he wants them answered and c) pull them out of the chat and post in a place where people who were not in the chat will actually see them.

You very well could be right about that Grant.

[sjackson]

I personally spoke with one of our current players today, regarding June and his status. Among other things, he indicated that June has called an 8:30am meeting with the entire team for Monday, 12/16/13 - during which he suspects June will announce resolution of his status as coach of SMU, one way or the other.

[blackoutpony]

I personally spoke with one of our current players today, regarding June and his status. Among other things, he indicated that June has called an 8:30am meeting with the entire team for Monday, 12/16/13 - during which he suspects June will announce resolution of his status as coach of SMU, one way or the other.

Well, that's interesting.... Let's hope it's that he's leaving. It's a little odd that a coach would have to hold a team meeting to announce he's coming back