Miami Model

[JudgeChamber]

/\ Yeah, but in today's BCS world, SMU simply can't do that... Like the quoe from the statesman:

"The death penalty is something you can overcome in a couple years," James said, "but you can't overcome being left out of the Big 12."

Who's going to come to SMU, when they need to go to Oklahoma, Texas, A&M, to compete for the big prize.

It sucks to be relegated to this netherworld of college football life. Heck, I-AA has a national championship...

Seriously, if SMU went undefeated this year, and say USC and Auburn only had one loss (with everyone else with at least two)... would SMU play for the BCS trophy? I really don't think so.

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That being said... any Dallas area recruit - we ant you hear. Stay close to home, play in front of your home fans. Win the conference...

Look at UTEP. A laughing stock till Mike Price.... They are on National TV 8 times this year. God bless CUSA.

CUSA is going to help. Winning will help. The people of Dallas will turn up. We just need a winner.

-ThadFilms

Good save.

[Special_Delivery_Smu_Fans]

re: me@SMU posting: " While we bash Miami academically keep in mind that US News just ranked them twenty points higher than SMU"

Miami Hurricane football players do not have a "20 point higher(academic) score" than SMU football players.

We are discussing Football and athletes that play football, not the entire school rankings.

Miami may have better rankings from US News for the entire school, but they do not when comparing football players.

And I would think it is not even close.

[Stallion]

I also wonder what their rating was 25 years ago when they were among the worst FB programs in the country. To be fair Miami has raised their graduation rates considerably over the years-once you establish a program and you can pick and choose from the recruiting base its much easier to have academic standards.

[Special_Delivery_Smu_Fans]

USA TODAY - 10/25/2004
Top Ranked Football Schools & Football Player Graduation Rates

Virginia (16) 75%
Purdue (21) 63%
Iowa (23) 58%
Virginia Tech (22) 58%
Southern California (1) 58%
Division I-A average 57%
Miami (Fla.) (3) 57%
Michigan (12) 57%
Wisconsin (7) 56%
Boise State (13) 54%
Georgia (9) 53%
Texas A&M (14) 50%
Florida State (5) 49%
Auburn (4) 48% -15
California 48%
West Virginia 46%
Utah (6) 45%
Oklahoma State (19) 45%
Arizona State (15) 44%
LSU (20) 42%
Minnesota (25) 41%
Oklahoma (2) 40%
Tennessee (11) 38%
Louisville (17) 35%
Texas-El Paso (24) 34%
Texas (10) 34%

*Four-class averages, for scholarship players entering school from 1994-97

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2004-10-25-grad-rates_x.htm

[LonghornFan68]

USA TODAY - 10/25/2004
Top Ranked Football Schools & Football Player Graduation Rates

Virginia (16) 75%
Purdue (21) 63%
Iowa (23) 58%
Virginia Tech (22) 58%
Southern California (1) 58%
Division I-A average 57%
Miami (Fla.) (3) 57%
Michigan (12) 57%
Wisconsin (7) 56%
Boise State (13) 54%
Georgia (9) 53%
Texas A&M (14) 50%
Florida State (5) 49%
Auburn (4) 48% -15
California 48%
West Virginia 46%
Utah (6) 45%
Oklahoma State (19) 45%
Arizona State (15) 44%
LSU (20) 42%
Minnesota (25) 41%
Oklahoma (2) 40%
Tennessee (11) 38%
Louisville (17) 35%
Texas-El Paso (24) 34%
Texas (10) 34%

*Four-class averages, for scholarship players entering school from 1994-97

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2004-10-25-grad-rates_x.htm

Yeah, that stat is no surprise. There is a low-graduation rate overall at UT. The University's environment too easily facilitates peoples' desire to be career students. It's a problem and the president has acknowledged it. Will it change? Who knows.

[ALEX LIFESON]

ut 34%! that's pretty rough, when most of their players major in eligibility.

[LonghornFan68]

/\ Hehehehehe.

[Mexmustang]

Look at USC's, Texas will always be no. 2 (or worse!).

[me@smu]

"Miami Hurricane football players do not have a "20 point higher(academic) score" than SMU football players.

We are discussing Football and athletes that play football, not the entire school rankings.

Miami may have better rankings from US News for the entire school, but they do not when comparing football players.

And I would think it is not even close."

And what do you base this knowledge on? Our football team isn't exactly filled with brain surgeons.
In fact Miami's Joel Rodriguez was an academic all-district last year...a distinction that no SMU player received last year.

But this is a digression, point is lets worry about fixing SMU not bashing other schools

[Stallion]

this has been an urban myth for at least 5 years since Butch Davis cleaned the Miami program up.

[SMU Football Blog]

Give me NCAA investigative authority and I could catch UT red-handed as well...no two ways about it

The NCAA's investigative authority is pretty pathetic, actually. If you refuse to cooperate, all they can do is shrug their shoulders and punish you for that. The NCAA has no power to compel anything: They can't make people talk; they can't make people appear under oath; they can't make people produce documents. This really is a lesson that schools learned after SMU got the death penalty-don't cooperate with the NCAA. Hire lawyers, have them conduct your own investigation; whitewash it; put yourself on probation; and refuse to cooperate further. What is the NCAA going to do? One of the reasons SMU got the death penalty is that its leadership was dumb enough to cooperate.

[SMU Football Blog]

this has been an urban myth for at least 5 years since Butch Davis cleaned the Miami program up.

What has been an urban myth? I am confused.

[Stallion]

Miami has graduated probably at a rate comparable to SMU over the last 4-5 years. No NCAA investigations. People assume that they are running the same outlaw program they ran in the 1980s and 1990s and it just isn't so.

[SMU Football Blog]

Miami has graduated probably at a rate comparable to SMU over the last 4-5 years. No NCAA investigations. People assume that they are running the same outlaw program they ran in the 1980s and 1990s and it just isn't so.

Well, it's lower by 10% or so. It is a point I have been trying to make all along and it is falling on deaf ears. We should concentrate on graduating players and not finding players that will graduate. It seems to work for most schools that mix in a win or two with some academic integrity. The fact that the football team graduates players at better rate than the university as a whole is absurd.

Of course, academic integrity is a sham because if Bennett won eight games a year graduated players at 58% (the national average), no one would care.

[mustang_of_smu]

TEXAS WAS CHEATING BACK THEN?

WHAT YEAR WAS IT WHEN YOU STOPPED?

Texas is cheating now. You don't win without it. Everyone cheats. It's not big news. I was told by an LSU alum that the reason SMU got caught is because the alums of SMU would not back the school up. Many especially in the south frown on the Death Penalty because SMU couldn't pay its way out of it more than they frown on the actual violations. This is not good logic. The size of the school is why we were chastized so harshly. Not because of alums not supporting us or because we did anything out of the ordinary. It is one of those great injustices that just can't be reconciled. Why does Baylor still have a university after their antics got a student shot to death??? Pathetic isn't it? The fusion of the academic world and athletics is such a joke in this country. I just don't think college athletics should be money driven. Screw capitalism and screw the ncaa.