Comparing Frazier to other McDonald's All-Americans

[LA_Mustang]

In terms of Keith, we beat out Tech for him. It's not like we beat out Duke or UNC. It's completely unfair for anyone to expect him to be superman. He'll be fine.

To be fair, KF had many more impressive offers than TT. It did come down to SMU, TT and Texas because I'm pretty sure he want to stay close to home, and I believe he had a close relationship with someone at Tech, but he had offers from the who's-who of college basketball - Arizona, Kansas, Memphis, OU, Okie St, Missouri, UCLA and Florida to name a few. I agree with you though, he'll be fine.

[birddogger]

Extrapolate KF's minutes to 24-30 per game before you jump to conclusions.

[mrydel]

Only problem I see with Frazier is trying to do too much in the limited time he is given. Needs to relax and let the game come to him rather than trying too hard to make a splash.

[ponyboy]

KF was offered by Arizona, Arkansas, Baylor, Florida, Florida St., Kansas, Memphis, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, SMU, TCU, UT, A&M, Texas Tech, and UCLA

[gostangs]

everyone needs to chill KF is fine. We will be VERY happy we have him if he can hang in with the actual school part.

[StandUp]

@blackoutpony, Please read any of my posts on basketball, never have I said that I don't know much about college basketball. I would like to think that I know a little about basketball. What in any of my posts shows you that I know nothing about basketball? I am a long time college basketball fan and alum of SMU. You thinking that the only other schools that offered Mr. Frazier was Tech shows us all what you know about college basketball. Look at the list of offers that Keith received. No one is expecting Frazier to be "superman", but it would be nice if he could be a positive factor when he is on the floor. O for 5 is not exactly lighting it up. Even if he does not light it up, how about making the other players on the floor better?

@Grant Carter and @rebel10, No one said that we should raise our expectations and Keith Frazier will play better. It is up to Coach Brown, his staff, the team and Mr. Frazier to make that difference. No one is even putting the weight of the world on his shoulders. Currently Keith barely plays any minutes. With talent comes awards, with awards comes recognition and with recognition you have expectations. We should not lower our expectations and make excuses. Keith Frazier was recognized as one of the best High School Basketball Players in the nation, not on his High School Team, not in Dallas, not only in the State of Texas. We should all have high expectations. I wish that Pony Nation would not lower our expectations and settle for his current level of production. My expectations for him are greater than shooting 0 for 5 and playing minimal minutes. Really not even contributing in a nearly must win game for SMU. We could have and should have beat Louisville. There are many on ponyfans.com who are saying that we need to give him time, stay off his back, he will be fine. Let's all hope so. Look, I am rooting for Mr. Frazier, I just expect more. We all see that he has the talent and the potential to be very special. Let's all hope that Coach Brown can figure a way to get the best out of Mr. Frazier. Coach is doing a good job getting the best out of other players... Markus Kennedy, Ben Moore, even Sterling Brown (at times).

[Rebel10]

Dude, he had a bad game. Goof grief. Other players will have bad games. Even the number 1 recruit in the country J. Parker at Duke has had a few bad games recently. What do you mean we should not settle for his current level of production? What are you going to do to him to punish him for the current level of production since you don't accept it, fine him a certain amount of money?

[stobor]

I don't understand the "no comparison" talk. He looks to be about in the middle of the pack given minutes. He's fine. He's a freshman. He's not a one-and-done type.

If he can learn the defensive side of the game, he's going to get a lot of minutes and the offensive production will go from there. He's had some minor struggles there, but you can see the talent and the potential.

The only real problem I see so far with KF is the AAU coaches having some hostage mentality regarding his performance, and it's repercussions for SMU. It's absurd. So are the comments here by people bashing him.

[StandUp]

Are we being honest and real here? Really? Mr. Frazier has not just had one bad game. Unfortunately he has been a non-factor almost every game this season. Off the top of my head, I think I remember him scoring 9 points in only one game. And no, I do not judge a player by only how many points they score. Like others have mentioned it appears that he needs to learn the defensive side of the game. In addition, I am not all that confident that he is actually getting others involved when he is on the floor. He just jacks up shots. How many assists does he have? My point exactly. All the talent in the world. It is time for him to realize his talent. Don't you think?

If true, it is definitely not right for AAU Coaches to hold SMU accountable for Mr. Frazier's production. Coach Brown seems to be able to get through to other Freshmen on the team, namely Ben Moore and Sterling Brown, even Markus Kennedy (Redshirt Sophomore). All have bought in to what Coach Brown is selling and all are showing that they can contribute to this year's team. Hoping Coach Brown can get through to Mr. Frazier Pony Up!

[LA_Mustang]

@blackoutpony, Please read any of my posts on basketball, I never have I said that I don't know much about college basketball. I would like to think that I know a little about basketball. What in any of my posts shows you that I know nothing about basketball? I am a long time college basketball fan and alum of SMU. You thinking that the only other schools that offered Mr. Frazier was Tech shows us all what you know about college basketball. Look at the list of offers that Keith received. No one is expecting Frazier to be "superman", but it would be nice if he could be a positive factor when he is on the floor. O for 5 is not exactly lighting it up. Even if he does not light it up, how about making the other players on the floor better?

@Grant Carter and @rebel10, No one said that we should raise our expectations and Keith Frazier will play better. It is up to Coach Brown, his staff, the team and Mr. Frazier to make that difference. No one is even putting the weight of the world on his shoulders. Currently Keith barely plays any minutes. With talent comes awards, with awards comes recognition and with recognition you have expectations. We should not lower our expectations and make excuses. Keith Frazier was recognized as one of the best High School Basketball Players in the nation, not on his High School Team, not in Dallas, not only in the State of Texas. We should all have high expectations. I wish that Pony Nation would not lower our expectations and settle for his current level of production. My expectations for him are greater than shooting 0 for 5 and playing minimal minutes. Really not even contributing in a nearly must win game for SMU. We could have and should have beat Louisville. There are many on ponyfans.com who are saying that we need to give him time, stay off his back, he will be fine. Let's all hope so. Look, I am rooting for Mr. Frazier, I just expect more. We all see that he has the talent and the potential to be very special. Let's all hope that Coach Brown can figure a way to get the best out of Mr. Frazier. Coach is doing a good job getting the best out of other players... Markus Kennedy, Ben Moore, even Sterling Brown (at times).

Do you watch the games? You say he barely plays any minutes and hasn't don't much?? Really? He played huge minutes against UConn and his seven straight points in the 2nd gave us control of the game. He had a bad game yesterday, it happens. You talk about expectations for a freshman. What do you expect? The Wiggins, Parker's and Randles of the world are rare birds. Look at our other stud freshman, Ben Moore. He had disappeared in the last few games. Barely got off the bench in a few games.

[LA_Mustang]

btw, you don't need to tell us Kennedy is a redshirt soph. We know. Did you know Emmanuel Mudiay committed to SMU? Maybe start a poll on how many games we'll win

[gostangs]

KF won us the UConn game by the way, and is right in the middle of the pack on that list of Freshman - so the whole thesis of KF being sub-par somehow is just stupid.

[StandUp]

With all due respect, I would not exactly say that Mr. Frazier won the UCONN game for us. Yes he played incredible for about 2 minutes, scored 7 points in a small stretch, played a total of 15 minutes in the game. We definitely needed those points to beat UCONN. Wouldn't it be nice if Frazier scored more regularly every game? Isn't that what All-American's are suppose to do? Did I watch the game? Give me a break. Many on this board including you LA_Mustang are condescending and instead of having an opinion on the subject would rather attack posters like me who are not afraid of having an opinion.

You questioning me whether Frazier plays minutes. Really? Frazier played 14 minutes in the UCONN game and 15 minutes in the Louisville game. Not exactly getting major playing time. You question my expectations for Freshmen. How about more consistency than Frazier's 3 for 8 shooting vs UCONN and 0 for 5 shooting vs Louisville. Comparing Freshman to Freshman... Pretty sure Sterling Brown and even Ben Moore shot better from the floor in those games. Do you not want more from Frazier? Be honest with yourself and stop the childish jabs about "How about you start a poll on that topic?" Jokes over You are so clever with your "Did you know that Emmanuel Mudiay committed to SMU?" Thanks. Keep up the good work.

Too many in Pony Nation are settling for poor performances from Mr. Frazier. We all want him to succeed at SMU. Instead of acting like he has won games for us and imagining that he has had a great season can't we be honest with each other and honest with ourselves. Can't we expect more from a McDonald's All-American? Imagine how good our team could be this season if we got any production from Frazier this season we would have beat Virginia, Arkansas and Louisville (maybe not Arkansas). The future is bright at SMU, but how about wanting more and expecting more today.

[Rebel10]

With all due respect, I would not exactly say that Mr. Frazier won the UCONN game for us. Yes he played incredible for about 2 minutes, scored 7 points in a small stretch, played a total of 15 minutes in the game. We definitely needed those points to beat UCONN. Wouldn't it be nice if Frazier scored more regularly every game? Isn't that what All-American's are suppose to do? Did I watch the game? Give me a break. Many on this board including you LA_Mustang are condescending and instead of having an opinion on the subject would rather attack posters like me who are not afraid of having an opinion.

You questioning me whether Frazier plays minutes. Really? Frazier played 14 minutes in the UCONN game and 15 minutes in the Louisville game. Not exactly getting major playing time. You question my expectations for Freshmen. How about more consistency than Frazier's 3 for 8 shooting vs UCONN and 0 for 5 shooting vs Louisville. Comparing Freshman to Freshman... Pretty sure Sterling Brown and even Ben Moore shot better from the floor in those games. Do you not want more from Frazier? Be honest with yourself and stop the childish jabs about "How about you start a poll on that topic?" Jokes over You are so clever with your "Did you know that Emmanuel Mudiay committed to SMU?" Thanks. Keep up the good work.

Too many in Pony Nation are settling for poor performances from Mr. Frazier. We all want him to succeed at SMU. Instead of acting like he has won games for us and imagining that he has had a great season can't we be honest with each other and honest with ourselves. Can't we expect more from a McDonald's All-American? Imagine how good our team could be this season if we got any production from Frazier this season we would have beat Virginia, Arkansas and Louisville (maybe not Arkansas). The future is bright at SMU, but how about wanting more and expecting more today.

What is your punishment for Frazier if he does not meet your expectations?

[StandUp]

One question for you. Be honest. Is he really meeting your expectations? Do you not see that we could have beaten Louisville, Virginia, and maybe Arkansas with any level of contributions from Frazier?