Grades

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[Pony147]

Well now that that's all said and done, let's beat the hell out of USF!!

[Pony ^]

Well now that that's all said and done, let's beat the hell out of USF!!

I figured it out! The non-emotional man above the N in your GIF is Brett Shipp. It's all making sense now!!!

[friarwolf]

Is this the longest non-game thread we've ever had?

No, the tracking of the airplane that supposedly had the current Georgia Tech coach on it when June got hired went well past 20 pages. 80 pages sticks out for some reason........

[Pony147]

Well now that that's all said and done, let's beat the hell out of USF!!

I figured it out! The non-emotional man above the N in your GIF is Brett Shipp. It's all making sense now!!!

Now that we know where he sits, maybe an errant pass gets thrown in his direction on Saturday...

[DanFreibergerForHeisman]

Is this the longest non-game thread we've ever had?

No, the tracking of the airplane that supposedly had the current Georgia Tech coach on it when June got hired went well past 20 pages. 80 pages sticks out for some reason........

This one still might be the longest on the basketball board though.

[Pony147]

Or...

[SMUmessageboardScreename]

I'm a huge SMU basketball fan, but I think you guys are coming off absolutely horrible in this thread and are not representing SMU very well.

Just think about SMU basketball for a second. In one year, they've gone from 15-17 (5-11 in CUSA) to 16-4 (5-2) in the quasi Big East. I'm not exactly enlightened to all of the details of exactly how each player made his way to SMU, but suddenly we have one of the deepest and most athletic teams in the whole country. We are landing big time transfers, McDonald's All American recruits, etc. I think when you tread as heavily in the recruiting waters as SMU has had to do in the last year, it comes with the territory that things are going to get questioned.

I'm not here to launch accusations at Larry Brown or staff, but you have to be a special kind of naive to think that college basketball is super clean. Whether it's something relatively "harmless" like relaxing the academic standards for athletes or helping athletes get through it with extensive tutoring, etc. (SMU clearly does this), or something more serious like outright paying the players or maliciously changing highschool grades, this stuff happens.

I've read a little bit about the Brett Shipp investigation, and it appears to me like he attempted to contact the SMU basketball program a number of times as part of his investigation and they've stonewalled him, so he showed up at the press conference asking questions. It's exactly what he's supposed to do if he's doing his job.

I have no personal knowledge of the underlying facts of his report, but the allegations with regard to Frazier's grade changing is pretty specific on exactly what was done and why it shouldn't have been done, and he states that the details are coming directly from a DISD internal audit, not his own speculation.

I think you guys are off base and out of line for spewing hate at the reporter for the mere fact he is investigating your favorite team. It's that type of illogical homerism that allowed so many people to cover up the Sandusky situation at Penn State. As an SMU alum and someone who is an ardent supporter of the SMU basketball team, my response as a fan to this investigation is that I hope Frazier and SMU did nothing wrong. But if they did, they need to face the consequences. And same thing goes for Brett Shipp. If it turns out he's reporting at a way that's out of line, he deserves to face consequences too. I hope that nothing comes of this but, frankly, I think that the fans, supporters, and the program itself owes it to themselves to be upfront, responsible and cooperative. SMU always talks about holding itself to a higher standard and here's the perfect time to do just that.

[Pweesey]

This is the only thing I could find from SMU's side:

When contacted by the SportsDayDFW.com, SMU offered this statement: "We have been made aware of an internal DISD investigation and we have to reserve comment until a copy is released to us."

I can't say I love that statement. Sounds like there could be new information SMU is/was not aware of, thus killing my "maybe SMU already investigated" hope.

[Nacho]

I'm a huge SMU basketball fan, but I think you guys are coming off absolutely horrible in this thread and are not representing SMU very well.

Just think about SMU basketball for a second. In one year, they've gone from 15-17 (5-11 in CUSA) to 16-4 (5-2) in the quasi Big East. I'm not exactly enlightened to all of the details of exactly how each player made his way to SMU, but suddenly we have one of the deepest and most athletic teams in the whole country. We are landing big time transfers, McDonald's All American recruits, etc. I think when you tread as heavily in the recruiting waters as SMU has had to do in the last year, it comes with the territory that things are going to get questioned.

I'm not here to launch accusations at Larry Brown or staff, but you have to be a special kind of naive to think that college basketball is super clean. Whether it's something relatively "harmless" like relaxing the academic standards for athletes or helping athletes get through it with extensive tutoring, etc. (SMU clearly does this), or something more serious like outright paying the players or maliciously changing highschool grades, this stuff happens.

I've read a little bit about the Brett Shipp investigation, and it appears to me like he attempted to contact the SMU basketball program a number of times as part of his investigation and they've stonewalled him, so he showed up at the press conference asking questions. It's exactly what he's supposed to do if he's doing his job.

I have no personal knowledge of the underlying facts of his report, but the allegations with regard to Frazier's grade changing is pretty specific on exactly what was done and why it shouldn't have been done, and he states that the details are coming directly from a DISD internal audit, not his own speculation.

I think you guys are off base and out of line for spewing hate at the reporter for the mere fact he is investigating your favorite team. It's that type of illogical homerism that allowed so many people to cover up the Sandusky situation at Penn State. As an SMU alum and someone who is an ardent supporter of the SMU basketball team, my response as a fan to this investigation is that I hope Frazier and SMU did nothing wrong. But if they did, they need to face the consequences. And same thing goes for Brett Shipp. If it turns out he's reporting at a way that's out of line, he deserves to face consequences too. I hope that nothing comes of this but, frankly, I think that the fans, supporters, and the program itself owes it to themselves to be upfront, responsible and cooperative. SMU always talks about holding itself to a higher standard and here's the perfect time to do just that.

you are equating this with the sandusky situation?
absurd.

[skyscraper]

I'm a huge SMU basketball fan, but I think you guys are coming off absolutely horrible in this thread and are not representing SMU very well.

If you actually read and watched the original story, there is nothing that connects the correct & documented DISD part to SMU.
And this morning the reporter admitted on local radio he CAN'T LINK SMU to the DISD part.
That's why people are pissed off.
And justifiably so.

[EconPony'10]

Comparing this situation to Jerry Sandusky raping children in their own facilities is pretty ridiculous...

[Junior]

Is this the longest non-game thread we've ever had?

post count, secret coach come to mind

[Junior]

I'm a huge SMU basketball fan, but I think you guys are coming off absolutely horrible in this thread and are not representing SMU very well.

Just think about SMU basketball for a second. In one year, they've gone from 15-17 (5-11 in CUSA) to 16-4 (5-2) in the quasi Big East. I'm not exactly enlightened to all of the details of exactly how each player made his way to SMU, but suddenly we have one of the deepest and most athletic teams in the whole country. We are landing big time transfers, McDonald's All American recruits, etc. I think when you tread as heavily in the recruiting waters as SMU has had to do in the last year, it comes with the territory that things are going to get questioned.

I'm not here to launch accusations at Larry Brown or staff, but you have to be a special kind of naive to think that college basketball is super clean. Whether it's something relatively "harmless" like relaxing the academic standards for athletes or helping athletes get through it with extensive tutoring, etc. (SMU clearly does this), or something more serious like outright paying the players or maliciously changing highschool grades, this stuff happens.

I've read a little bit about the Brett Shipp investigation, and it appears to me like he attempted to contact the SMU basketball program a number of times as part of his investigation and they've stonewalled him, so he showed up at the press conference asking questions. It's exactly what he's supposed to do if he's doing his job.

I have no personal knowledge of the underlying facts of his report, but the allegations with regard to Frazier's grade changing is pretty specific on exactly what was done and why it shouldn't have been done, and he states that the details are coming directly from a DISD internal audit, not his own speculation.

I think you guys are off base and out of line for spewing hate at the reporter for the mere fact he is investigating your favorite team. It's that type of illogical homerism that allowed so many people to cover up the Sandusky situation at Penn State. As an SMU alum and someone who is an ardent supporter of the SMU basketball team, my response as a fan to this investigation is that I hope Frazier and SMU did nothing wrong. But if they did, they need to face the consequences. And same thing goes for Brett Shipp. If it turns out he's reporting at a way that's out of line, he deserves to face consequences too. I hope that nothing comes of this but, frankly, I think that the fans, supporters, and the program itself owes it to themselves to be upfront, responsible and cooperative. SMU always talks about holding itself to a higher standard and here's the perfect time to do just that.

Mr. Shipp, thanks for posting...

[Stallion]

I think most SMU fans are justifiably upset at the SMU angle and ambush of Larry Brown at a road game post game news conference without any legally substantive evidence that SMU did anything wrong. I definitely think the report about the DISD investigation and findings are fair game and I didn't find anything about that part unfair or unreasonable. It also would be reasonable to point out that this places the eligibility of Frazier in question. He should have asked SMU for a comment and then noted SMU's response.