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Postby MFFL02 » Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:57 pm

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GiddyUp wrote:ya think? You can't beat Lou with 1 point guard. Not gonna happen. We were very exposed tonight.


If that 1 point guard stays out of foul trouble we can. Coach Brown said that he committed some silly fouls. Take those away and who know what would have happened. Especially if he did not have to go out when we have a 14 point lead.


We simply matchup with certain teams better than others. A team like Memphis can matchup well with Louisville, while we can't. Tough loss, but you can't win 'em all. We'll bounce back and hopefully have a solid performance in Memphis.
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Postby OhioBrownFan » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:09 am

I love all this talk of Nic Moore's foul troubles yet he didn't foul out of the game. I'm upset with LB and his decision not to ride him out from about the 14 minute mark in the 2nd half. If he fouls out, so be it. They weren't going to beat Louisville with him on the bench, saving fouls for later. Guess what, the fouls DON'T carry over and he had one to give at the end of it all. I also think it was a mistake not to put him back in during the 1st half when Louisville went on the run. Trust him not to take a third before the half and if he does, so be it. That was a coach not trusting his player's judgment and I can't blame him. Considering Nic is a PG, I would've hoped his judgment was better than it is. Always going to be an uphill battle with him on the bench because there is no one else to handle the rock without having their cookies taken going the other way.
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Postby JasonB » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:10 am

I think some of those frustration fouls come from trying to play on an injury and being frustrated about not being able to cut as sharply and being a step slow.
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Postby Stallion » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:13 am

SMU cut it to 1 with about 8 minutes left-I definitely would have brought him then-but hey Louisville just took the game from us like a Champion. Nic wouldn't have changed anything defensively with 4 fouls. You can trust some players will foul trouble-Nic Moore has proven over and over he's not that guy
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Postby OhioBrownFan » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:14 am

Stallion wrote:SMU cut it to 1 with about 8 minutes left-I definitely would have brought him then-but hey Louisville just took the game from us like a Champion. Nic wouldn't have changed anything defensively with 4 fouls

Does he have to? From my vantage point, all he needs to do is conduct the offense and get the ball across half-court. Something neither Manuel or Russell can do.
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Postby SMU Section F » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:14 am

OhioBrownFan wrote:I love all this talk of Nic Moore's foul troubles yet he didn't foul out of the game. I'm upset with LB and his decision not to ride him out from about the 14 minute mark in the 2nd half. If he fouls out, so be it. They weren't going to beat Louisville with him on the bench, saving fouls for later. Guess what, the fouls DON'T carry over and he had one to give at the end of it all. I also think it was a mistake not to put him back in during the 1st half when Louisville went on the run. Trust him not to take a third before the half and if he does, so be it. That was a coach not trusting his player's judgment and I can't blame him. Considering Nic is a PG, I would've hoped his judgment was better than it is. Always going to be an uphill battle with him on the bench because there is no one else to handle the rock without having their cookies taken going the other way.

I agree, but I think all of us that have watched Nic play know why Larry kept him out. Nic is a great player and I love his energy, but along with that energy comes a lot of recklessness. It's all part of the package.

Purely based on having the benefit of hindsight, I definitely wish Nic had stayed in longer during the first half.
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Postby Rebel10 » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:15 am

JasonB wrote:I think some of those frustration fouls come from trying to play on an injury and being frustrated about not being able to cut as sharply and being a step slow.

I disagree. Most of Nic's fouls were just silly fouls as Coach Brown said on the radio.
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Postby Stallion » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:16 am

Yes it wouldn't have mattered-Louisville took the game with its offense
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Postby OhioBrownFan » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:19 am

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OhioBrownFan wrote:I love all this talk of Nic Moore's foul troubles yet he didn't foul out of the game. I'm upset with LB and his decision not to ride him out from about the 14 minute mark in the 2nd half. If he fouls out, so be it. They weren't going to beat Louisville with him on the bench, saving fouls for later. Guess what, the fouls DON'T carry over and he had one to give at the end of it all. I also think it was a mistake not to put him back in during the 1st half when Louisville went on the run. Trust him not to take a third before the half and if he does, so be it. That was a coach not trusting his player's judgment and I can't blame him. Considering Nic is a PG, I would've hoped his judgment was better than it is. Always going to be an uphill battle with him on the bench because there is no one else to handle the rock without having their cookies taken going the other way.

I agree, but I think all of us that have watched Nic play know why Larry kept him out. Nic is a great player and I love his energy, but along with that energy comes a lot of recklessness. It's all part of the package.

Purely based on having the benefit of hindsight, I definitely wish Nic had stayed in longer during the first half.


When you lose a 14 point lead that quickly, you've got to stop the bleeding. Gotta roll the dice when you're playing a better team. If that had been a tournament game, there would be no excuse. Especially sitting him the majority of the 2nd half when they clearly, clearly needed him.
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Postby SMU Section F » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:22 am

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Stallion wrote:SMU cut it to 1 with about 8 minutes left-I definitely would have brought him then-but hey Louisville just took the game from us like a Champion. Nic wouldn't have changed anything defensively with 4 fouls

Does he have to? From my vantage point, all he needs to do is conduct the offense and get the ball across half-court. Something neither Manuel or Russell can do.

This. When a player gets hot like Russ Smith did in the second half, sometimes the best counter is offense. I absolutely love the defenses on display this year in the AAC, but sometimes you just have to score. Our offense was giving me flashbacks to last year's team (minus Jalen).
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Postby OhioBrownFan » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:22 am

Stallion wrote:Yes it wouldn't have mattered-Louisville took the game with its offense

23 TOs didn't have anything to do with it to their 14 on the road? That's game right there most of the time. Nick Russell had 8 turnovers. The fact that it was a 13 point game with 2 points in garbage time should tell you that it was lucky to even be close against a team like Louisville with that amount of turnovers.
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Postby gostangs » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:23 am

yes - i agree totally with Ohio - i thought he must have restrained his ankle - since i thought there was no way Brown sits him even with 2 fouls for over half of the first half and watches our entire huge lead disappear.

i thought Brown was trying to teach him inserted of win a game we had a shot at winning. If he fouls out - fine. didn't get the logic of not playing him so he doesn't foul out. He was our only shot and everyone in the building knew it.
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Postby SMU Section F » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:24 am

OhioBrownFan wrote:Especially sitting him the majority of the 2nd half when they clearly, clearly needed him.

From the goings-on on the SMU bench after Nic's fourth foul, I wasn't sure he was going back into the game at all.
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Postby gostangs » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:24 am

THey had tons of points off our turnovers - you can't say it wouldn't have mattered. It clearly did. When nic was in we were hanging or gaining. When he wasn't we were heading the other direction.
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Postby SMU Section F » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:26 am

gostangs wrote:They had tons of points off our turnovers - you can't say it wouldn't have mattered. It clearly did. When Nic was in we were hanging or gaining. When he wasn't we were heading the other direction.

I doubt anyone disagrees with this.
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