The slimyness of Todd Graham strikes again

SMUMan02 · Post by **SMUMan02** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:55 am

Big Hoss wrote:
SMUMan02 wrote:
DickerJames wrote:Whats slimy about that? They opted out of the contract per the terms of the contract in order to play another school for more money. Happens all the time.

Ok, stop with the lawyer talk. Sure it happens, but not very often does it happen 8 months before the game. It also sucks for Tech because this can have real consequences. In '04 when Auburn went undefeated and didn't make it to the Championship game, they had a cancellation like this and had to add a IAA team and that did just enough to their strength of schedule to keep them out of the Championship Game. Tech is not going to the Championship game, but this is not an insignificant thing.

Why do we care what happens to Tech? Sure it may be a crappy thing for Tulsa to do on such short notice, but I honestly don't care because it's Texas (our coach is a [deleted]) Tech!

I don't care, but I was just responding to the suggestion that its not slimy.

Big Hoss · Post by **Big Hoss** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:01 pm

SMUMan02 wrote:
Big Hoss wrote:
SMUMan02 wrote:
DickerJames wrote:Whats slimy about that? They opted out of the contract per the terms of the contract in order to play another school for more money. Happens all the time.

Ok, stop with the lawyer talk. Sure it happens, but not very often does it happen 8 months before the game. It also sucks for Tech because this can have real consequences. In '04 when Auburn went undefeated and didn't make it to the Championship game, they had a cancellation like this and had to add a IAA team and that did just enough to their strength of schedule to keep them out of the Championship Game. Tech is not going to the Championship game, but this is not an insignificant thing.

Why do we care what happens to Tech? Sure it may be a crappy thing for Tulsa to do on such short notice, but I honestly don't care because it's Texas (our coach is a [deleted]) Tech!

I don't care, but I was just responding to the suggestion that its not slimy.

Ah, got it. Started to get a little worried about you.

OC Mustang · Post by **OC Mustang** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:50 pm

I'm not an attorney either. However, I will say that when we discuss legal issues in business, I ask my counsel three questions at the outset of every discussion.

1. What's the law?
2. Where is the grey area?
3. What are the practical consequences one can expect regardless of the legalisms?

I think Tulsa's actions fall into the category of #3.

Graham is a cutthroat coach, and Tulsa plays cutthroat vs. other schools. To quote Pulp Fiction "...Don't know if I'd call [them] filthy...but [they] definitely dirty...".

SMU2007 · Post by **SMU2007** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:21 pm

OC Mustang wrote:I'm not an attorney either. However, I will say that when we discuss legal issues in business, I ask my counsel three questions at the outset of every discussion.

1. What's the law?
2. Where is the grey area?
3. What are the practical consequences one can expect regardless of the legalisms?

I think Tulsa's actions fall into the category of #3.

Graham is a cutthroat coach, and Tulsa plays cutthroat vs. other schools. To quote Pulp Fiction "...Don't know if I'd call [them] filthy...but [they] definitely dirty...".

gayest post ever.

Big Hoss · Post by **Big Hoss** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:23 pm

SMU2007 chimes in with a very Hot Sports Opinion!

jkflamebo · Post by **jkflamebo** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:21 pm

we need to start canceling the unt/texas st type games and go elsewhere with june now

Rayburn · Post by **Rayburn** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:31 pm

Tulsa vs. Arkansas used to be a traditional game for the hog callers and the inland hurricaners from the 1920s through the 1980s The series ended in 1991 or so.

mrydel · Post by **mrydel** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:07 pm

I had forgotten that Rayburn. You are correct. I recall my father taking me to a Arkansas/Tulsa game in the early 60's when Jerry Rhome was QB for Tulsa. If I recall Tulsa upset Arkansas in that game.

Mustangsabu · Post by **Mustangsabu** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:44 pm

jkflamebo wrote:we need to start canceling the unt/texas st type games and go elsewhere with june now

I think Texas State for a season opening is perfect, but that's just me. Hopefully we will avoid the banana skin and get the season off to a great start with a drubbing (I'm thinking like the 55-9 over Arkie State in 2006).

Personally I am giddy with excitement (but that might just have been the Pig Run video!)

George S. Patton · Post by **George S. Patton** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:48 pm

Mustangsabu wrote:
jkflamebo wrote:we need to start canceling the unt/texas st type games and go elsewhere with june now

I think Texas State for a season opening is perfect, but that's just me. Hopefully we will avoid the banana skin and get the season off to a great start with a drubbing (I'm thinking like the 55-9 over Arkie State in 2006).

Personally I am giddy with excitement (but that might just have been the Pig Run video!)

Well, the return game to Arkansas St......Welcome, June Jones.

tristatecoog · Post by **tristatecoog** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:59 pm

Now TT has $150K more to pay another opponent, which may finally be a sufficiently competitive offer. I assume the '09 game was also in Lubbock.

OC Mustang · Post by **OC Mustang** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:31 pm

SMU2007 wrote:
OC Mustang wrote:I'm not an attorney either. However, I will say that when we discuss legal issues in business, I ask my counsel three questions at the outset of every discussion.

1. What's the law?
2. Where is the grey area?
3. What are the practical consequences one can expect regardless of the legalisms?

I think Tulsa's actions fall into the category of #3.

Graham is a cutthroat coach, and Tulsa plays cutthroat vs. other schools. To quote Pulp Fiction "...Don't know if I'd call [them] filthy...but [they] definitely dirty...".

gayest post ever.

Whatever you say, newbie.

Oh...yeah...not that there is anything wrong with that....

Big Hoss · Post by **Big Hoss** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:44 pm

jkflamebo wrote:we need to start canceling the unt/texas st type games and go elsewhere with june now

2 comments:

1) Once we start beating teams like UNT & Tx St comfortably each and every time, then maybe we should stop scheduling them. Hard to instill confidence in your team without a few wins, even if they are against "lesser" schools.

2) Over the course of the next few years, we play some decent non-conf games: Texas Tech, TCU, Mizzou, A&M, Navy, and Baylor so they aren't all against low end schools (Baylor notwithstanding, and assuming Mizzou and Navy continue their recent success)

I want us to enter conference play no worse than 2-2 the next 2 years, and would prefer 3-1. It made me sick when we would enter non-conf play 0-3 (when we only had 11 games) because we lost to Tech, OSU, and TCU for a couple years in a row, and we were only 1-3 the last 2 seasons.

SWC2010 · Post by **SWC2010** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:35 am

Give Graham credit for not wanting an a$$-whippin on Opening Day.

B-T-W, what is our margin of victory (loss) on last 4-5 games against the same TT?

I understand the money aspect of the game for an SMU or Tulsa, but you can get the same $$$ money against other solid programs that don't have such an offense to prepare for, of which you'll never face again that season.

EastStang · Post by **EastStang** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:35 am

Anybody got an idea what the over is going to be for the SMU/Tech game? I'm thinking its in the 80's.