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GiddyUp wrote:upper deck stadiums look much cooler (i.e. Southern Miss - great layout)

Not when they are completely empty. When TCU was really bad at FB, they never had ANYONE up there. I think it may been condemned.

One thing I don't understand: For teams with attendance issues like SMU, the home team should put the TV camera stations on the visitors side of the field. Why show the empty visitors side of the field on TV?

The only real problem with Ford is lack of quality seats. If you begin to calculate the financial value of seats that people prefer to sit in with say TCU's remodeled stadium then its an economic drain on the program assuming the seats were filled. Compare SMU(20,000 sideline seats between endzones) to say TCU(38,000 sideline seats) then multiply by about season ticket price and it becomes a substantial number. And its not just sideline seats. Seats between 40-50 and 30-40 and can be sold for a premium. There's just a whole lot less premium seats. Of course, we have problems filling them anyway.

Digetydog wrote:

GiddyUp wrote:upper deck stadiums look much cooler (i.e. Southern Miss - great layout)

with attendance issues like SMU, the home team should put the TV camera stations on the visitors side of the field. Why show the empty visitors side of the field on TV?

The lead camera has to face the same direction as the announcers do.

Water Pony wrote:At Ford, build two levels of suites with moveable windowns on the East side, while adding open-seating only on the south end, enclosing the horseshoe. That would give us 45+K for bigger games. Think big, Embrace the East and schedule A&M, ND, AFA and another BigXII team, such as Baylor.

Big 12 teams want to make their Dallas appearances at Jerryworld

Digetydog wrote:One thing I don't understand: For teams with attendance issues like SMU, the home team should put the TV camera stations on the visitors side of the field. Why show the empty visitors side of the field on TV?

Most of the seats on the east side are home seats...it's not the visitors side and the stigma of it being the "visitors side" needs to be removed.

No adding seats until we can regularly sell out the ones currently in the stadium, sorry.

Back to Moody, I haven't seen any renderings other than the ones they trotted out a year ago. I'm assuming nothing much has changed.

Stallion wrote:The only real problem with Ford is lack of quality seats. If you begin to calculate the financial value of seats that people prefer to sit in with say TCU's remodeled stadium then its an economic drain on the program assuming the seats were filled. Compare SMU(20,000 sideline seats between endzones) to say TCU(38,000 sideline seats) then multiply by about season ticket price and it becomes a substantial number. And its not just sideline seats. Seats between 40-50 and 30-40 and can be sold for a premium. There's just a whole lot less premium seats. Of course, we have problems filling them anyway.

Doesn't price elasticity of demand and supply take care of this issue? I feel asleep in Dr Dooms class. Any Econ majors. Bhueler?

SMU89 wrote:

Stallion wrote:The only real problem with Ford is lack of quality seats. If you begin to calculate the financial value of seats that people prefer to sit in with say TCU's remodeled stadium then its an economic drain on the program assuming the seats were filled. Compare SMU(20,000 sideline seats between endzones) to say TCU(38,000 sideline seats) then multiply by about season ticket price and it becomes a substantial number. And its not just sideline seats. Seats between 40-50 and 30-40 and can be sold for a premium. There's just a whole lot less premium seats. Of course, we have problems filling them anyway.

Doesn't price elasticity of demand and supply take care of this issue? I feel asleep in Dr Dooms class. Any Econ majors. Bhueler?

Attendance/revenue issues for schools involves complicated supply/demand considerations.

1)While the price people might be willing to pay for SMU tickets might increase as our program starts to win, it is not clear that the total number of tickets in demand would climb substantially. In terms of demand from "SMU fans," I suspect our overall demand for season tickets is very flat.

2)For SMU, demand from visiting teams can be an enormous factor in total demand. Even if SMU was having a rough year, I suspect the Aggie and TCU games would draw a large crowd of TCU fans. In contrast, a home game against Marshall or ECU might not draw a dozen visiting fans.

In terms of stadium/arena capacity, most teams have learned that it is really bad to have an oversize stadium. With the notable exception of Jerrywold, most new NFL stadiums are not bigger (and often smaller) than the stadiums they replaced. Why? Restricting supply ensures the teams can charge a premium price to everyone. In constrast, stadiums like LA's Memorial Stadium (with a huge number of low quality EZ seats) make it easy for fans to substitute into cheaper seats.

Another factor: TCU has made it clear that they won't play any Big 12 games at Jerryworld. While the extra seats would mean more revenue, they would likely be filled with visiting UT, TT, or OU fans. Back before the DP, all our big crowds at Texas Stadium had huge numbers of Aggie/UT/ARK fans. By avoiding Jerryworld, the Frogs want a home field advantage.

Given our fan base, I think Ford is about the right size. It is my understanding that it can be expanded if we need more seats. If not, we could always play a game at the Cotton Bowl (I love that old dump) from time to time.

TCU is not going to have that many visiting fans because they are going to shatter season ticket sales. I predict at a minimum 30,000 season tickets likely higher. Have we broken 10,000 yet. TCU will come close to selling out the Big 12 schedule

Stallion wrote:TCU is not going to have that many visiting fans because they are going to shatter season ticket sales. I predict at a minimum 30,000 season tickets likely higher. Have we broken 10,000 yet. TCU will come close to selling out the Big 12 schedule

That is exactly how they want it. A full house of Frog fans and a minimum of opposing fans.

Digetydog wrote:

Stallion wrote:TCU is not going to have that many visiting fans because they are going to shatter season ticket sales. I predict at a minimum 30,000 season tickets likely higher. Have we broken 10,000 yet. TCU will come close to selling out the Big 12 schedule

That is exactly how they want it. A full house of Frog fans and a minimum of opposing fans.

That is how we want it too with a full house of SMU fans at Ford and Moody. We just have to work at it awhile longer to get there.

When your conference has a huge TV contract, there's even less incentive to move games to bigger, off-campus venues.

so, back to Moody, are we going to be able to play our full schedule there during the remodel?

From what I understand, we can play in Moody for 2012-13. It sounded like Dr. Turner said all of the exterior work was going to start in August. Then they would move inside after the 2012-13 season. We would have to play the November and maybe all of the December games somewhere else. Dr. Turner said it would be ready for Big East play in Jan. 2014 but I think ponyscott said there was a chance to play in December 2013 because Big East play has started in December in recent years.

thanks. mitch.