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Nice season Northwesten is having, btw Dr. Great start, always root for the small privates of the world.

Well I have a marketing degree from SMU. I may not know cereal but I know that our marketing, whether grass roots or flash has been very poor the past several years. And that includes everyone involved.

NY Pony wrote:Nice season Northwesten is having, btw Dr. Great start, always root for the small privates of the world.

No pun intended.

NY Pony wrote:Nice season Northwesten is having, btw Dr. Great start, always root for the small privates of the world.

Yes, I also have a degree from Rice, so I am also hapy abut the Kansas game this week. However, FYI, Northestern has been to a BCS bowl (Rose) more recently than SMU. They are 2-0, so it is a nice state. Poor B1G.

dr. rick wrote:you know, some of these anti-june comments are way below the belt. IMHO, it is OK to question his methods, recruiting, etc. with will reasoned arguments, but questioning his character - when he is helping children and doing the grunt marketing work of building SMU's brand - is really an abomination. June (and Daugherty for that matter) has worked with a lot of special needs kids in DFW and should be applauded for this work, regardless of whether or not you like them as coaches.

Amen !!! Way too many "front-runner" what have you done for me lately so-called "fans" on this board. Yes , coach Jones has some shortcomings.....don't we all ?? But I would never question his character or the content
of his heart. By any objective measurement , our team has improved significantly during his tenure here and we are fortunate to have him.

ponypatrick wrote: Amen !!! Way too many "front-runner" what have you done for me lately so-called "fans" on this board. Yes , coach Jones has some shortcomings.....don't we all ?? But I would never question his character or the content
of his heart. By any objective measurement , our team has improved significantly during his tenure here and we are fortunate to have him.

How many more seasons do we let the plateau continue?

I'm grateful that June took us from being a terrible team to a mediocre team. Mediocre isn't the endgame. I don't want to be a Hawaii, that just isn't good enough. Anything less than TCU or Baylor is a failure.

BigT3x wrote:I don't want to be a Hawaii, that just isn't good enough.

We aren't even close to what Hawaii was.

Mustangs35SMU wrote:

BigT3x wrote:I don't want to be a Hawaii, that just isn't good enough.

We aren't even close to what Hawaii was.

Not true, save for the Colt Brennan years. We have had similar QB production with more running yards. We just have stronger competition.

We may have similar yards but we do not have similar points scored.

No one is saying June is a bad guy because he obviously is. He is a loyal moral man who does much charity work and is probably a great individual QB coach. I think his record here is 25-29 during his time at SMU and in his 5th year it appears he could have risen to his level of mediocrity ( the old Peter Principle). I am very happy we have reached 3 Bowl games as we have come from an "F" rated program up to a "C" program....that's fine, but I would like to rise to an "A" program or at least a"B" type program. June's stubbornness on recruiting and continuing to run this offense may just be his demise here, not his continued charitable work with all children.

dr. rick wrote:

NY Pony wrote:

dr. rick wrote:you know, some of these anti-june comments are way below the belt. IMHO, it is OK to question his methods, recruiting, etc. with will reasoned arguments, but questioning his character - when he is helping children and doing the grunt marketing work of building SMU's brand - is really an abomination. June (and Daugherty for that matter) has worked with a lot of special needs kids in DFW and should be applauded for this work, regardless of whether or not you like them as coaches.

None of the comments on this thread were out of line. June is a good guy, but he needs to step up his effort with OUR team. And he isn't doing any "grunt" marketing work. He's going through the motions.

In terms of helping kids in need, he is doing great things and should be commended.

I agree that his work is to be commended, but you are wrong on a couple of points. the "grunt" marketing work is going out to the community and working with people to build our brand. People want flashy marketing campaigns, but what builds the brand is getting the coaches (actually representatives) into the community. How do I know? I have a PhD in marketing from Kellogg...

and yes, i did find several of the comments out of line. haters are haters. However, disagree with his methods, but not his character.

Sorry but you seem to know very little about marketing. Marketing a football program requires knowing your consumer and the product that we have. How do we maximize that brand? By winning - it's as simple as that. We win and we automatically boost our product. The community wants a winner, and the best way to maximize that is to consistently win and to win against top-level competition. Win against BCS type programs helps to boost our brand much more than helping out underprivileged children in the community (for as commendable as that may be). Brand is also built by building on our traditions. June Jones doesn't even seem to recognize our school colors (enough with the black clothes - we're blue and red). Peruna has been a tradition at SMU, and as far as I understand, he's only tried to minimize the role of Peruna in our games. How do you promote a brand when you don't seem to abide to the basic fundamentals? You can't. That's marketing 101, and I'm a finance guy.

Pete Carroll had a program that he started with helping underprivileged kids in L.A. The people in the community then got the impression that the USC coach cared more than just about winning in football but also cared about the community in which he was heavily recruiting. USC then started getting their best players. SMU has not been very visible in the local community while asking for the best athletes in the local community. It takes time.

SMU 86 wrote:Pete Carroll had a program that he started with helping underprivileged kids in L.A. The people in the community then got the impression that the USC coach cared more than just about winning in football but also cared about the community in which he was heavily recruiting. USC then started getting their best players. SMU has not been very visible in the local community while asking for the best athletes in the local community. It takes time.

I hope your argument isn't that his community involvement was what resulted in him getting the best players in the area. Did it play a role? I'm sure it did, but his personality and his tireless recruiting efforts I'm sure had a much bigger impact.

Mustangs_Maroons wrote:

SMU 86 wrote:Pete Carroll had a program that he started with helping underprivileged kids in L.A. The people in the community then got the impression that the USC coach cared more than just about winning in football but also cared about the community in which he was heavily recruiting. USC then started getting their best players. SMU has not been very visible in the local community while asking for the best athletes in the local community. It takes time.

I hope your argument isn't that his community involvement was what resulted in him getting the best players in the area. Did it play a role? I'm sure it did, but his personality and his tireless recruiting efforts I'm sure had a much bigger impact.

No question that he was a tireless recruiter. Just saying he took every angle and that was one of them.

SMU 86 wrote:

Mustangs_Maroons wrote:

SMU 86 wrote:Pete Carroll had a program that he started with helping underprivileged kids in L.A. The people in the community then got the impression that the USC coach cared more than just about winning in football but also cared about the community in which he was heavily recruiting. USC then started getting their best players. SMU has not been very visible in the local community while asking for the best athletes in the local community. It takes time.

I hope your argument isn't that his community involvement was what resulted in him getting the best players in the area. Did it play a role? I'm sure it did, but his personality and his tireless recruiting efforts I'm sure had a much bigger impact.

No question that he was a tireless recruiter. Just saying he took every angle and that was one of them.

Completely agree. I think community involvement is great and can help, just don't think that should be the main hook JJ has to get kids to come to play football here. Rick was essentially implying this should be the grass roots of recruiting, and I fundamentally disagree, particularly with a coach that doesn't seem to market our school's traditions and even university colors - all basic, easily-implemented marketing things he can do.