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Re: Watching film vs visiting high schools
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:04 pm
by lwjr
SMU 86 wrote:Definitely easier to watch film and send offers than to go to the high schools and build relationships with the coaches and players imo. Same thing they were doing at Hawaii when they were a long way from the mainland and now they are still doing it while they are on the mainland.
I think the easiest way to say this is, laziness.
Re: Watching film (Hawaii style) vs visiting high schools
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:07 am
by smusportspage
Hey, at least it saves on the travel budget.
Re: Watching film vs visiting high schools
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:17 am
by peruna81
SMU 86 wrote:Definitely easier to watch film and send offers than to go to the high schools and build relationships with the coaches and players imo. Same thing they were doing at Hawaii when they were a long way from the mainland and now they are still doing it while they are on the mainland.
Yep. Dickerson came to the Hilltop after Ron saw the film and contacted the coach at Sealy…simple as that.
Re: Watching film vs visiting high schools
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:33 am
by SMU 86
peruna81 wrote:SMU 86 wrote:Definitely easier to watch film and send offers than to go to the high schools and build relationships with the coaches and players imo. Same thing they were doing at Hawaii when they were a long way from the mainland and now they are still doing it while they are on the mainland.
Yep. Dickerson came to the Hilltop after Ron saw the film and contacted the coach at Sealy…simple as that.
Ron had a relationship with the Sealy coach. Building relationships with local high school coaches by visiting them is important whether we want to accept it or not. Although everyone knew who Dickerson was so Ron didn't even have to see the film. He was the top rated RB in the state if not the nation. Simple as that.
Re: Watching film (Hawaii style) vs visiting high schools
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:43 am
by ponyinNC
"I've met him whenever I go to SMU," McGuire said. " I love Coach Jones but I've never talked to him about recruiting."
That is Joey McGuire - HC at Cedar Hill HS, a school that produces muliple D1 prospects every year and is located very close to SMU.
That quote was just tweeted to Rick Hart and June Jones by yours truly.
Re: Watching film (Hawaii style) vs visiting high schools
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:17 pm
by Dooby
Recruiting is a young man's game. It takes youthful energy to relate to recruits. It takes energy to travel non-stop to build the relationships. It takes work-the kind of time a young man is willing to put in when he first gets in the business.
Now look at June's staff. A couple of young guys but mostly older guys. I wonder if anybody has the median ages of coaching staffs? I bet SMU is squarely on the downhill side of the bell curve.
Compare that to LB's staff-he is older than dirt but his staff is young young young.
Basketball recruiting is very different than FB recruiting, but in this way, it is the same.
Re: Watching film (Hawaii style) vs visiting high schools
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:22 pm
by Stallion
average age used to be about 55 before they got rid of the 3 Amigos last year. Wasn't Jason Phillips whose no spring chicken the youngest BEFORE last year
Re: Watching film vs visiting high schools
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:27 pm
by peruna81
SMU 86 wrote:peruna81 wrote:SMU 86 wrote:Definitely easier to watch film and send offers than to go to the high schools and build relationships with the coaches and players imo. Same thing they were doing at Hawaii when they were a long way from the mainland and now they are still doing it while they are on the mainland.
Yep. Dickerson came to the Hilltop after Ron saw the film and contacted the coach at Sealy…simple as that.
Ron had a relationship with the Sealy coach. Building relationships with local high school coaches by visiting them is important whether we want to accept it or not. Although Everyone knew who Dickerson was so Ron didn't even have to see the film. He was the top rated RB in the state if not the nation. Simple as that.
uhhh…my post was tongue in cheek there, '86. Ron Meyer RECRUITED coaches, athletes, and alums. He was the anti-June.
Re: Watching film (Hawaii style) vs visiting high schools
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:35 pm
by sbsmith
Stallion wrote:average age used to be about 55 before they got rid of the 3 Amigos last year. Wasn't Jason Phillips whose no spring chicken the youngest BEFORE last year
No it was Odum (born in 1970), Phillips was born 1966.
Re: Watching film vs visiting high schools
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:44 pm
by SMU 86
peruna81 wrote:
uhhh…my post was tongue in cheek there, '86. Ron Meyer RECRUITED coaches, athletes, and alums. He was the anti-June.
Apologize for not catching the sarcasm 81.
Re: Watching film (Hawaii style) vs visiting high schools
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:41 pm
by ghost
Along those same lines.....if any prospect watches video or telecasts of our coach in action, doubtful if the player will OFFER the coach a chance to recruit him. Who wants some nonchalant guy on the sideline with a faraway look in his eye so distant from the action on the field. Only those recruits who don't have offers or else only offers from smaller schools or maybe friends/celebrities from the past who have sons without any offers. After all, "The film don't lie both ways!"
Re: Watching film (Hawaii style) vs visiting high schools
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:13 pm
by PK
I still don't understand why he got a three year extension...or any extension for that matter. After all my [deleted] about JJ, my wife asks me that very question to which I have no answer. It is so hard to understand or rationalize.
Re: Watching film (Hawaii style) vs visiting high schools
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:19 pm
by Rebel10
PK wrote:Rebel10 wrote:Now I see why players get offers that have never heard from the coaches. Also explains why June or his coaches rarely visit the high schools. I guess it is more of pro/Hawaii approach than a college approach.
Report from the 3pm pc:
Many times during the press conference coach Jones reiterated that his staff targets recruits based solely off of game film noting that the film doesn't lie. He said that the process is to identify prospects on film and then to contact their high school head coach to get their scouting report on the player.
I guess this type of recruiting is what it will be for the remainder of the June Jones era. Nothing will change.
The biggest problem is that they mostly only have the film sent to them to evaluate. Why would a high level recruit send out film to SMU when they already have other schools interested in them and visiting them? I suppose recruiting sites have film of many of the prospects the coaches can look at, but then they also get to see who is offering these kids and decide the fight for them is too hard.
Good point.
Re: Watching film (Hawaii style) vs visiting high schools
Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 1:50 pm
by ponyscott
PK wrote:I still don't understand why he got a three year extension...or any extension for that matter. After all my [deleted] about JJ, my wife asks me that very question to which I have no answer. It is so hard to understand or rationalize.
Because the revised 'extension' contract June had to sign has a much, much lower buyout of June if he doesn't perform.
Re: Watching film (Hawaii style) vs visiting high schools
Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 3:32 pm
by LHS81
ponyinNC wrote:"I've met him whenever I go to SMU," McGuire said. " I love Coach Jones but I've never talked to him about recruiting."
That is Joey McGuire - HC at Cedar Hill HS, a school that produces muliple D1 prospects every year and is located very close to SMU.
That quote was just tweeted to Rick Hart and June Jones by yours truly.
Where is Cedar Hill again?
