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It is probably a little late in the game to ask this question, but how do Scout and Rivals work? I have read a whole ton of b$tching about them, but don't know anything about how they actually work. Can anyone help me out here?
1) Do the players pay to put their recruiting page up on those sites or do universities (until the recent rule change) pay large amounts to subsidize all player sites?
2) Who is responsible for updating a prospect's status? The player, high school or University? That includes level of interest.
3) Following up on that, who decides if a kid is worthy to be considered a prospect? We see a lot of kids ranked during their junior season and other don't get stars until their senior season. Was the senior not a real prospect until that point?
4) Do these sites have to hold off on allowing content onto their site until it is confirmed by both the school and players? For example, if Joey Baggadonuts posts to Rivals that he was offered by SMU, does anybody check with the school? Or vice versa?
5) How come a three star player becomes a four star player after Florida, Alabama or Texas offers them?
6) Who actually gives the stars and what is the criteria? There are thousands of kids (juniors and seniors) who watches all of the games or reviews film?

Does anyone know for sure how these sites work? Do we just really like venting on them? I'm good with the venting, but would be interested in how they work.

Vitale wrote:

Mitch McConnell wrote:Oh, for God's sake, cool it on ripping Scout and Rivals.

If you're definition of having something new on their home page every 6-8 hours, then you're either unrealistic with your expectations or spoiled brats. I'll lean to the latter for some of you.

I read the site and feel like I'm caught up to date on recruiting. They had a story on the Crockett kid being there.

As for the commitment, maybe Rivals can't get it confirmed yet and is having trouble reaching the kid or his coach. Why report what you don't have confirmed on your end.

Look the Rivals guys said they were going to be out this weekend. Yes, I'm sorry that some of you were probably upset that they didn't cover the OVER RATED SPRING GAME, WHICH WASN'T A SPRING GAME ANYWAY.

But give these guys a break. They have lives to lead too. I'm fine with them taking some time off here and there. Have to re-charge the batteries.

Wow - aren't you the same guy who used to rip everything rivals said? Why the change of heart? Are you now a subscriber? Employee? Both?
Neither of those other sites will ever cover the Ponies like PonyFans.com does.

Apparently, you and some of the other drive-bys must get off on coming after me. That's fine. But a word of warning: if what I post offends you so much, don't read it. But you can't help yourself, can you?

Get off? No, I don't find find the opinions of others on message boards so important that I feel compelled to change my name ... twice. But if it helps you believe you're important, tell yourself whatever you have to.

I was genuinely curious about why you went from someone who ripped those who read the pay sites to suddenly defending their "value."

For what it's worth, I read just about every post on this site, and in the past, you have had a few with actual value. I keep hoping you'll have another one day...

Vitale wrote:Get off? No, I don't find find the opinions of others on message boards so important that I feel compelled to change my name ... twice. But if it helps you believe you're important, tell yourself whatever you have to.

I was genuinely curious about why you went from someone who ripped those who read the pay sites to suddenly defending their "value."

For what it's worth, I read just about every post on this site, and in the past, you have had a few with actual value. I keep hoping you'll have another one day...

Well, if you read post, then you'll know why I changed my mind. Or are we of the mentality that once you take a position you have stick with it under no circumstances?

I'm sure sometime in your life you had made up your mind on something, were given a different perspective, and changed your mind as well.

oh, and here's another thing...I'm probably going to change my name again...

Why are you so concerned about if I change my name? It's not like I'm hiding and identity. But some of you conspiracy theorists want to find some angle, I guess.

I just changed because I was bored with Patton. You could stand to change your extremely offensive avatar too, buddy.

Are you going through PMS or something?

stc9 wrote:It is probably a little late in the game to ask this question, but how do Scout and Rivals work? I have read a whole ton of b$tching about them, but don't know anything about how they actually work. Can anyone help me out here?
1) Do the players pay to put their recruiting page up on those sites or do universities (until the recent rule change) pay large amounts to subsidize all player sites?
2) Who is responsible for updating a prospect's status? The player, high school or University? That includes level of interest.
3) Following up on that, who decides if a kid is worthy to be considered a prospect? We see a lot of kids ranked during their junior season and other don't get stars until their senior season. Was the senior not a real prospect until that point?
4) Do these sites have to hold off on allowing content onto their site until it is confirmed by both the school and players? For example, if Joey Baggadonuts posts to Rivals that he was offered by SMU, does anybody check with the school? Or vice versa?
5) How come a three star player becomes a four star player after Florida, Alabama or Texas offers them?
6) Who actually gives the stars and what is the criteria? There are thousands of kids (juniors and seniors) who watches all of the games or reviews film?

Does anyone know for sure how these sites work? Do we just really like venting on them? I'm good with the venting, but would be interested in how they work.

I can't answer most of your questions, but my understanding is that the university, coaches and staff are not allowed to say who they are recruiting or who they have offered per NCAA rules. I believe that the information posted by the recruiting sites in regards to who is being recruited by whom and who has made offers to whom comes from the players themselves and sometimes from their high school coaches.

Stallion probablly is the best one to answer these questions but I will give it a shot.

1) The recruiting page on each player is developed by the site. I think rivals does it through a central mechanism where scout allows publishers of the sites to add recruits.
2) Any publisher of a site on rivals/scout can update their status/offers.
3) Pass.
4) The publishers typically require confirmation of an offer through the player or their parent. They dont officially check with the schools (because they are not allowed to release that kind of info).
5) Because of the prestige factor.
6) Stars are decided on by the panel of regional recruiting analysts for each site. In the case of the 4 and 5* guys, typically they are based more on having seen them in person, typically at one of the top camps that are put on around the country. The way they evaluate the 2 and 3* guys is a little sketchier (i think).

Thanks...

Sorry to go careening back to the topic at hand, but this Stewart kid looks like a very impressive runner with outstanding speed and pretty good elusiveness.

WELCOME TO SMU, DAIJUAN!

Another example of 2012 Rivals rankings is that if you go To Rivals UT recruiting page for 2012, only 1 recruit is ranked at this point out of 16 commits. One 5 Star recruit and the others waiting on a rating. Now I am sure those recruits will mostly be rated real high like a 4/5 Star on average. Most of ours will be 3 Stars.

I think they have only rated about 20 prospects nationwide-the first group of 5 stars

Now rated as a three star on rivals (5.5)

From his highlights kinda thought he might be a 5.6 three star.

thank you wuba! there is also the fact that the highly recruitted stars have more offers to dither over. fact is, some great players come to us after mega state u fills their class. but we really should fill our class a year in advance with only 5 star pre-nfl recruits. i just don't know why that isn't happening. don't those coaches do anything?

his game stats
. SMU commit Daijuan Stewart caught 7 passes for 100 yards,
http://louisianatech.scout.com/2/1105461.html