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Then what about offers-you want to compare offers of SMU teams with other Texas teams. I've done it before probably do it again. That calculation has often been particularly brutal comparison to the schools we compete against

Stallion wrote:Then what about offers-you want to compare offers of SMU teams with other Texas teams. I've done it before probably do it again. That calculation has often been particularly brutal comparison to the schools we compete against

Well said Stallion. By the way, my comment was towards PerunaPunch but JasonB answered saying "I am not saying". I find that kind of odd. Sounds like the political agenda might be on this board. There must be a free board out there somewhere without a political agenda.

PK wrote:

jtoutloud wrote:We are where we are; like it or not, these are our guys. So let's get behind them, forget any "spin" that the university will put on it and think positively. We are getting spoiled because of the success we have had the last 3 years. So we are not a top 25 team yet, and maybe we won't be for the next 5-10 years. But we are heading up and that is a great place to be going. I feel good about talking with my buddies that went to Big 12 schools about SMU football, proud. And they are starting to take me seriously as they watched every game with me this past year. Hell, my business partner is a freaking Aggie and he is sweating Sept 15th. Another one of my friends is an OSU die hard, but since he moved to Dallas this fall and I MADE him watch SMU, he and his wife are getting SMU season tickets with me.

If they are starting to believe, why can't we?

Too many years of negative results on the football field have turned too many fans into non-believers even when good things are happening and great things are ahead. Instead of jumping to negative conclusions, try falling face-first into the lovely, fragrant, hot, sticky pool of optimism and hope.

Pony Up mother 'effers!

A+

This is what I'm talking about. I don't live in Dallas, but I do my darn hardest to follow suit. New Pony fans made coast to coast.

Go Ponies!

SMU 86 wrote:

Stallion wrote:Then what about offers-you want to compare offers of SMU teams with other Texas teams. I've done it before probably do it again. That calculation has often been particularly brutal comparison to the schools we compete against

Well said Stallion. By the way, my comment was towards PerunaPunch but JasonB answered saying "I am not saying". I find that kind of odd. Sounds like the political agenda might be on this board. There must be a free board out there somewhere without a political agenda.

I think there is.

Stlhockeyguy02 wrote:Don't hate on SMU SID. They do an incredible amount with very, very few resources. Hate on Junesus, but leave our SID office out of it.

We need to stop hating the coaches and the new recruits, too. This is our team, and there are some good players coming in -- maybe some very good players. Those determined to do nothing but whine and complain need to go away if this team makes you that miserable, as it can't be that healthy to be miserable all the time. We need to get behind the team (from coaches to new recruits) now and quit whining. Welcome, new Mustangs.

Rebel10 wrote:

JasonB wrote:Do you think this is a stellar class and will win BIG EAST Championships and a BCS Bowl berth? We are going into the BE with this class so we should take CUSA no problem next year right?

So, a couple of points:

1) this class will have little to no impact on our play next year, and that is how it should be, because Frosh shouldn't come in and have a massive influence on a good team.

2) I think the thing that is going to hold us back next year is that some of Klemm's "highly ranked" o-line recruits the last couple of years aren't going to be as good as we thought they were. Hopefully they can take a massive step up by the spring, but if the oline is getting dominated while you watch spring practice, it isn't a good sign.

3) I am with Stallion that I evaluate classes based on BCS offers. And this class from that perspective is definitely lower than last year or the year before. But it was still better than 2009 or anything before that. It is good enough to win in CUSA, and yes, I think it will end up okay in the Big East.

4) The reason I am optimistic is that I look at past history. Lets evaluate the less heralded recruits in each class, keeping in mind that with Bennett, most of the 2 star players never saw the field or were below par:

Brown - backup linebacker, good special teams
Collins - will start on OL next year
Davis - stud
Hughes - in the mix at OL now
Holman - starter
Rambo - looks like a good MLB
Nwabuike - looks like a good OLB
Parks - good special teams, in the mix at CB
Pope - good MLB
Sorrell - was a decent safety

All I am saying is that this staff has shown that it can evaluate talent quite well. So I will give them the benefit of the doubt until I see otherwise, whereas with Bennett, it was obvious that he was struggling with identifying talent and getting it on campus.

Sounds like Jasonb is a true Klemm hater for sure. Klemm only recruited really one class full of oline recruits and most redshirted last year. So they would be redshirt freshman taking the field. Also, Gottschalk (who is a Klemm recruit) is looked up very high by this coaching staff. The other olinemen for SMU got here before Klemm's oline recruits got here. So if anything the line next year should be made up of pre klemm oline players (with the exception of Gottschalks) unless Klemm's recruits are better than them are as redhsirt freshman. If they are that tells you what kind of recruitng we had before Klemm. Except of Gottschalk all starters on the oline should be either non Klemm recruits of they have developed by these coaches. We should win CUSA no excuses, no blaming Klemm. I am expecting that. I think Holleman and Holloway will be good players for us as well since you are bashing current players on the team if they are Klemm recruits.

SMU 86 wrote:Sounds like Jasonb is a true Klemm hater for sure. Klemm only recruited really one class full of oline recruits and most redshirted last year. So they would be redshirt freshman taking the field. Also, Gottschalk (who is a Klemm recruit) is looked up very high by this coaching staff. The other olinemen for SMU got here before Klemm's oline recruits got here. So if anything the line next year should be made up of pre klemm oline players (with the exception of Gottschalks) unless Klemm's recruits are better than they are as redhsirt freshman. If they are that tells you what kind of recruitng we had before Klemm. Except of Gottschalk all starters on the oline should be either non Klemm recruits of they have developed by these coaches. We should win CUSA no excuses, no blaming Klemm. I am expecting that. I think Holleman and Holloway will be good players for us as well since you are bashing current players on the team if they are Klemm recruits.

You are definitely right about his comment about Klemm's o-line recruits being offbase. If a redshirt freshman produces on the OL that is bonus, you should not criticize Klemm if his redshirt freshman are not contributing on OL. There are still 3 more years for them to contribute.

SMU 86 wrote:PP (PerunaPunch) is anti recruiting services so you expect those kind of off base responses from him as he is a sponsor of pf (he does it so much until it is almost sickening). The Cali kids would have done well here. We might have offered Law and Pruitt anyway with the Cali kids. Which means we could have had them with the Cali kids. I am sure they are going to make a contribution and so will the Cali kids wherever they are. No need to belittle those kids to try to make ours look better. We need a good 2013 class for the BE period. I wonder how many of our current recruits make in into school. All I hope but that has not been the case in the past.

Now that is some kind of weird twisted [deleted] envy type syndrome confused back handed thinking you are playing with defending de commits and putting our commits down at every opportunity...

Stallion wrote:If our former decommitted recruits aren't any good why did Genius offer them? Why did he offer about 33 Offensive Lineman before he settled for the Bottom of the List for Lineman (other tham Myers). That's complete nonsense

Stallion, aren't you the one who wants to give every Texan and offer? Which way do you really want it?

I don't need to ask I know you just want to season it all with bile..

While Klemm has proven to be an excellent recruiter, based on his commitments at SMU and the players he signed at UCLA he really made very little impact in his time at SMU so he deserves neither credit nor blame for our results on the field. Last season was his only year of actual recruiting for us. This season, we essentially lost 4 commitments due to his departure. Gabriel Marks, Robert Lewis, Carl Hulick, and Kache Palacio. Chris Harper was not solid because he said he would commit to Cal if offered and dis exactly that. Adrian Burton was an Odum commit. Khalil Pettway decommitted before Klemm left. Blame June for not hiring more stud recruiters or blame timing due to Mike Leach going to Wazzu the year we improved our California recruiting but in the large scheme of things the Klemm effect has been overplayed. We ned Phillips to connect us to Texas and more Phillips like recruiters so that we can build a sustainable pipeline. On the whole, this years results are acceptable, given that we really only lost 4 recruits due to Klemm's departure. 4 is not an insurmountable number. We just need 2-4 coaches to pick up a couple more and we will be well on our way. That said, get on it!!!!

Good point mustangxc. We can do it.

SMU 86 wrote:Sounds like Jasonb is a true Klemm hater for sure. Klemm only recruited really one class full of oline recruits and most redshirted last year. So they would be redshirt freshman taking the field. Also, Gottschalk (who is a Klemm recruit) is looked up very high by this coaching staff. The other olinemen for SMU got here before Klemm's oline recruits got here. So if anything the line next year should be made up of pre klemm oline players (with the exception of Gottschalks) unless Klemm's recruits are better than them are as redhsirt freshman. If they are that tells you what kind of recruitng we had before Klemm. Except of Gottschalk all starters on the oline should be either non Klemm recruits of they have developed by these coaches. We should win CUSA no excuses, no blaming Klemm. I am expecting that. I think Holleman and Holloway will be good players for us as well since you are bashing current players on the team if they are Klemm recruits.

Sorry about that, I thought we had two years of oline recruiting under Klemm. And I agree that Gottshalk is the one guy who has shown that he will be a keeper so far.

I took a look at the incoming recruiting class across all of the services - rivals, scout, ESPN, and then also the offers. I give a max of one point for each category - so a stud would get 4 points. to get a full point on rivals, you have to be 3 star, national ranking, and state ranking. Full point on scout is 3 star with a national ranking lower than 100. Full point on ESPN is ranking 70 or above with a positional ranking lower than 100. And finally, to get a point on offers you have to have multiple BCS offers. i give partial points for thinks like getting an ESPN ranking in the 60s or having a position rank, but it is over 100.

Usually, after that calculation, players who are a 3 or above are BCS desired kids, 2 and up are okay for the BCS, and under 2 are more CUSA level recruits (not saying anything about talent, but about how others view the recruit).

Looking at this year's class, you get 4 players over 3, 8 players over 2, and 10 players below 2.

As far as that being a boom/bust predictor...

Players on the roster this last season who were 3 or above:
4 boom, 1 bust, 7 unknown. (note that we had 12 on the roster, and graduate 2, so adding 4 is a tick up).

Players on the roster that are in the 2s:
6 boom, 2 bust, 8 unknown. But know that there are some potential busts in the unknown. We are graduating 3 and adding 8, so definitely an uptick on the current roster.

Players that are in the 1s:
5 boom, 2 bust, 9 unknowns. Again, some potential busts int he unknown. Graduating 2 and picking up 8. But we are still having the same relative level of success here as with the 2s. And about the same number of booms as the 1s.

Players less than 1s:
22 boom, 7 bust, 10 unknowns. Potential busts in the unknowns. Graduating 13, picking up 2, so definitely trending in the right direction here.

Booms consist of regular starters for us, as well as some players who we know are going to be good (like Jeremy Johnson, Cameron Smith) after seeing them play a bit. I labeled someone like a Bryan Collins as an unknown, even though he is probably going to start next year and did see playing time, because I was trying to be conservative. Although I think he is going to do quite well.

Anyway, my points in this are:
- don't compare the class to what Bennett put together. What is coming in is much higher regarded than what is graduating.
- our coaching staff are pretty good evaluators. If you look at what players are ranked in various services, we hit at about the same rate regardless of if they are highly regarded or lowly regarded.

JasonB wrote:

SMU 86 wrote:Sounds like Jasonb is a true Klemm hater for sure. Klemm only recruited really one class full of oline recruits and most redshirted last year. So they would be redshirt freshman taking the field. Also, Gottschalk (who is a Klemm recruit) is looked up very high by this coaching staff. The other olinemen for SMU got here before Klemm's oline recruits got here. So if anything the line next year should be made up of pre klemm oline players (with the exception of Gottschalks) unless Klemm's recruits are better than them are as redhsirt freshman. If they are that tells you what kind of recruitng we had before Klemm. Except of Gottschalk all starters on the oline should be either non Klemm recruits of they have developed by these coaches. We should win CUSA no excuses, no blaming Klemm. I am expecting that. I think Holleman and Holloway will be good players for us as well since you are bashing current players on the team if they are Klemm recruits.

Sorry about that, I thought we had two years of oline recruiting under Klemm. And I agree that Gottshalk is the one guy who has shown that he will be a keeper so far.

I took a look at the incoming recruiting class across all of the services - rivals, scout, ESPN, and then also the offers. I give a max of one point for each category - so a stud would get 4 points. to get a full point on rivals, you have to be 3 star, national ranking, and state ranking. Full point on scout is 3 star with a national ranking lower than 100. Full point on ESPN is ranking 70 or above with a positional ranking lower than 100. And finally, to get a point on offers you have to have multiple BCS offers. i give partial points for thinks like getting an ESPN ranking in the 60s or having a position rank, but it is over 100.

Usually, after that calculation, players who are a 3 or above are BCS desired kids, 2 and up are okay for the BCS, and under 2 are more CUSA level recruits (not saying anything about talent, but about how others view the recruit).

Looking at this year's class, you get 4 players over 3, 8 players over 2, and 10 players below 2.

As far as that being a boom/bust predictor...

Players on the roster this last season who were 3 or above:
4 boom, 1 bust, 7 unknown. (note that we had 12 on the roster, and graduate 2, so adding 4 is a tick up).

Players on the roster that are in the 2s:
6 boom, 2 bust, 8 unknown. But know that there are some potential busts in the unknown. We are graduating 3 and adding 8, so definitely an uptick on the current roster.

Players that are in the 1s:
5 boom, 2 bust, 9 unknowns. Again, some potential busts int he unknown. Graduating 2 and picking up 8. But we are still having the same relative level of success here as with the 2s. And about the same number of booms as the 1s.

Players less than 1s:
22 boom, 7 bust, 10 unknowns. Potential busts in the unknowns. Graduating 13, picking up 2, so definitely trending in the right direction here.

Booms consist of regular starters for us, as well as some players who we know are going to be good (like Jeremy Johnson, Cameron Smith) after seeing them play a bit. I labeled someone like a Bryan Collins as an unknown, even though he is probably going to start next year and did see playing time, because I was trying to be conservative. Although I think he is going to do quite well.

Anyway, my points in this are:
- don't compare the class to what Bennett put together. What is coming in is much higher regarded than what is graduating.
- our coaching staff are pretty good evaluators. If you look at what players are ranked in various services, we hit at about the same rate regardless of if they are highly regarded or lowly regarded.

I hear you JB. I am just looking forward to am exciting upcoming season.