Where are the June Jones Supporters ...

[LA_Mustang]

Bottom line is JJ is not an aggressive/active recruiter. A school in our situation has to have that to take the next step. At Hawaii he could get away with this because he had easy excuses in his back pocket - lack of money, poor facitlites, ect. He has none of those excuses at SMU. Instead, when it got to the point where he really needed to start busting his [deleted] to take the program to the next level, he tried to bolt for ASU. Also, he let our best recruiter walk. Result - we have two blowout losses in our first 3 games, an offense that looks completely lost, a HC who doesn't want to be here, a pissed off fan base and our lowest rated incoming recruiting class in years. Not good.

[Thumper]

I support June Jones completely, although not "to the death," as his detractors like to suggest JJ's supporters must be. Replacing a coach or player is only a good idea if a replacement is better. For instance, it's unfortunate when anyone loses a job, but Phil Bennett's dismissal was the right move to make, as June has taken us to three straight bowl games. Replacing June might or might not be the right thing to do, but only if the next guy is better. Three straight bowl games don't make me want to replace him after sitting through the previous two coaching regimes.

[ojaipony]

I support June Jones completely, although not "to the death," as his detractors like to suggest JJ's supporters must be. Replacing a coach or player is only a good idea if a replacement is better. For instance, it's unfortunate when anyone loses a job, but Phil Bennett's dismissal was the right move to make, as June has taken us to three straight bowl games. Replacing June might or might not be the right thing to do, but only if the next guy is better. Three straight bowl games don't make me want to replace him after sitting through the previous two coaching regimes.

There are a lot of things that I do not like about JJ. He's had the best track record of football success of anyone since I've become a Mustang (1991) so it's hard for me to rail on him right now. This isn't to say that I wasn't yelling at him during this game and have been PO-ed about our recruiting.

And So to all the "pitch-forkers" out there, name your replacements. I have.

[SMU_Alumni11]

I support June Jones completely, although not "to the death," as his detractors like to suggest JJ's supporters must be. Replacing a coach or player is only a good idea if a replacement is better. For instance, it's unfortunate when anyone loses a job, but Phil Bennett's dismissal was the right move to make, as June has taken us to three straight bowl games. Replacing June might or might not be the right thing to do, but only if the next guy is better. Three straight bowl games don't make me want to replace him after sitting through the previous two coaching regimes.

That's fine to support I don't think anyone is angry that few people still support him, I did before AM game but now I'm on the other side. The thing is what will it take for people that still support him to be as angry as us? I thought for sure a blow out worst than last year at our home stadium would seal the deal but I guess it's that we are trapped both ways: what better coach can we get for 2 mil, and our past was so atrocious that JJ [deleted] ups can be forgiven because got us 3 bowl games (mediocre to say the least). I think you guys will be converted when a young not so great TCU team beats us 80-3 in two weeks. But like you said who can we get? I say anybody who has taken a crappy program and has started making something out of it (hatefully: NTCC coach looks good)

[couch 'em]

I support June Jones completely, although not "to the death," as his detractors like to suggest JJ's supporters must be. Replacing a coach or player is only a good idea if a replacement is better. For instance, it's unfortunate when anyone loses a job, but Phil Bennett's dismissal was the right move to make, as June has taken us to three straight bowl games. Replacing June might or might not be the right thing to do, but only if the next guy is better. Three straight bowl games don't make me want to replace him after sitting through the previous two coaching regimes.

There are a lot of things that I do not like about JJ. He's had the best track record of football success of anyone since I've become a Mustang (1991) so it's hard for me to rail on him right now. This isn't to say that I wasn't yelling at him during this game and have been PO-ed about our recruiting.

And So to all the "pitch-forkers" out there, name your replacements. I have.

What's the point in naming successors?

Nobody was able to conceive of June Jones as a candidate when we were firing Bennett and nobody named Larry Brown as a possible candidate.

[LA_Mustang]

Couch'em makes a good point. If everyone wants an established "name" it will be tough to pull off but at 2 million per, we can land a damn good young coach. My problem is with the people deciding, not the candidates. I believe Sumlin could've been that guy before A&M showed interest. The Ags got a good one.

[couch 'em]

Couch'em makes a good point. If everyone wants an established "name" it will be tough to pull off but at 2 million per, we can land a damn good young coach. My problem is with the people deciding, not the candidates. I believe Sumlin could've been that guy before A&M showed interest. The Ags got a good one.

And you make a good point as well. We know little of Hart, and despite that some say he got Larry Brown hired I dont ' trust Turner.

Although, we don't have very far to fall.

[SMU 86]

Granted we are in better shape to hire a good coach since the school has gotten rid of most of the handcuffs that other coaches before Coach Jones had. So SMU should not be afraid to make a change going into the BE. However, I just think that once conference play starts everything will be fine.

[ponyboy]

I'd give JJ the rest of this year before making any moves. In the meantime, I'd be quietly mobilizing whatever forces I need to to make a swift and decisive move in December or January, should that option need to be exercised.

I, for one, hope that we don't have to exercise that option. Beat TCU. Win CUSA.

[LakeHighlandsPony]

Can you imagine how much money its going to take to get a great coach to come to this program? Others coaches begged June not to take this gig.

[Rebel10]

I support June Jones completely, although not "to the death," as his detractors like to suggest JJ's supporters must be. Replacing a coach or player is only a good idea if a replacement is better. For instance, it's unfortunate when anyone loses a job, but Phil Bennett's dismissal was the right move to make, as June has taken us to three straight bowl games. Replacing June might or might not be the right thing to do, but only if the next guy is better. Three straight bowl games don't make me want to replace him after sitting through the previous two coaching regimes.

There are 2 types of JJ supporters.

1). Those that are objectively support JJ and honestly say when he has done things that are not working. These are not June to the death supporters

2). Those that support JJ blindly no matter what. These are June to the death supporters.

I guess if you fear replacing June Jones you fear when he retires in a few years. If fear of hiring a better coach is what your judgement is based on not parting ways with a coach then that is almost like a battered wife syndrome. Like I have said I do think JJ will win just enough games to keep his job. And next year unfortunately might be more painful than this year imo.

[ponyboy]

Those that support JJ blindly no matter what. These are June to the death supporters.

I realize I may not have been paying sufficient attention, but has anyone on here espoused that view?

[PerunaPunch]

Klemm was on the right track. Two of his WR commitments Chris Harper at Cal and Gabe Marks at WSU are already tearing it up in the PAC and would have made us a better team this year and the future

And this would have been a perfectly valid point if Marks had a snowballs chance in hell of being eligible long enough to take a single snap for SMU.

[Rebel10]

Klemm was on the right track. Two of his WR commitments Chris Harper at Cal and Gabe Marks at WSU are already tearing it up in the PAC and would have made us a better team this year and the future

And this would have been a perfectly valid point if Marks had a snowballs chance in hell of being eligible long enough to take a single snap for SMU.

Making a statement like that I guess you know enough factual information about the young man to publicly degrade him like that. What factual information do you have to support your attack on his academic situation?

[1983 Cotton Bowl]

I'm definitely a June Jones supporter. Looking at where the program was in 2008 and where it is now, I think the results speak for themselves. Obviously, there are a lot of factors there besides June. But I think the June haters also overstate their case that he hasn't played a big role.

I have stated previously, however, that while I am grateful to June and appreciate what he's done, it is going to take new blood to move this thing to the next level. Our games the last couple of years against Big-12/SEC opponents have proven that. June's taken the program as far as its going to go with the existing talent level. And I don't see the talent level rising significantly with the current staff's recruiting efforts.

I don't see June being fired. Absent a scandal, to fire him mid-season after a three-year stretch of far and away the best football anyone has seen on the Hilltop since 1986 would be absurd and reflect poorly on SMU. It might also chill our ability to attract a top-tier replacement for anything less than an astronomical contract. Coaches don't want to step into a situation where they are just a few bad games from being canned. Maybe for a shot at UT or Alabama (which are the jobs everyone aspires to), but certainly not at SMU.

But remember that we have a new AD, and ADs like to make their mark by bringing in their own people. I see Hart and June parting ways in the next year or two and Hart and the COC going after a big-time hire with a big-time staff. Don't worry, it will happen. June isn't going to be extended again. And I promise you that the next coach will be well north of $2 million per year.