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Just because you acknowledge that the team (offense AND defense) is not performing to their capabilities and point out that the play-calling, recruiting and enthusiasm from most of the staff has been abysmal, doesn't mean that you hate SMU or wish for their losses or demise. It is possible to watch and enjoy a record-setting win against the hated UofH and think "man our over-the-middle pass-D really sucks" or "what if we didn't have NINE turnovers"

Samurai Stang wrote:

Topper wrote: My point was that I doubt that a single member of the C of C has any particular interest in the rants on this board. For better or worse they are a group of very powerful and influential people who undoubtedly have a point of view of the situation based on more information than any of us can access.

Yes! Submit to the will of your overlords! Independent thought is a disease that must be eliminated!

The C of C stepped in and put up enough cash to breathe life into a dying program. A large group of alums put up enough nickels and dimes to bring the program back after the death penalty. If you have no gratitude for the philanthropy of well meaning people who love SMU then you should follow another team. If you havent noticed we dont sell a lot of tickets or get a lot of TV or bowl money. I don't always agree with the administration or with JJ but I think the program would be on the level of a Trinity or Austin College without them.

Topper wrote:

Samurai Stang wrote:

Topper wrote: My point was that I doubt that a single member of the C of C has any particular interest in the rants on this board. For better or worse they are a group of very powerful and influential people who undoubtedly have a point of view of the situation based on more information than any of us can access.

Yes! Submit to the will of your overlords! Independent thought is a disease that must be eliminated!

The C of C stepped in and put up enough cash to breathe life into a dying program. A large group of alums put up enough nickels and dimes to bring the program back after the death penalty. If you have no gratitude for the philanthropy of well meaning people who love SMU then you should follow another team. If you havent noticed we dont sell a lot of tickets or get a lot of TV or bowl money. I don't always agree with the administration or with JJ but I think the program would be on the level of a Trinity or Austin College without them.

Nah, Austin College beats Tulane.

Grant Carter wrote:Ok then, what amount of points would not be a disaster for the apologists you speak of in your mind?

73. Because that would have not included a missed extra point.

Topper wrote: The C of C stepped in and put up enough cash to breathe life into a dying program. A large group of alums put up enough nickels and dimes to bring the program back after the death penalty. If you have no gratitude for the philanthropy of well meaning people who love SMU then you should follow another team. If you havent noticed we dont sell a lot of tickets or get a lot of TV or bowl money. I don't always agree with the administration or with JJ but I think the program would be on the level of a Trinity or Austin College without them.

And all that the Circle of Champions demands in return is blind obedience! Woe to the ungrateful masses that dare voice an opinion!

But wait! You speak of the Circle of Champions as though you are not part of it! How dare you voice an opinion! You have not paid for that right! To avoid such a mistake in the future, I recommend you embrace silence.

I do not hate JJ. I'm thrilled that SMU crushed UH and crushed that miserable commuter school with excellent play in all three phases of the game.

I think JJ's done a heck of a lot for the school. JJ was probably the only coach available who could accomplish the things needed to do with recruiting standards (maybe Paul Johnson, as well). Big East transition. Helping bring Larry Brown. 3 bowls. Hawai'i themed helmet stickers.

What bothers me the most about JJ is the inconsistent performance and what appears to be dreadful recruiting.

With everything that SMU offers, and U of Hawai'i doesn't, my expectation was that he'd be recruiting the heck out of Texas and nationally. I was hoping that in year 5 of his tenure, we'd have a developed QB, putting up 40 points a game, and playing exciting football.

It appears to me, as an outsider fan with no internal information, that he's taking the same approach to recruiting here as he did in Hawai'i. That's unacceptable given what Texas high school players expect. And the fact that our offense has never really come together, except for the Hawai'i bowl, is problematic.

I appreciate all that JJ's done for the school, but I think he's done all that he can do. I think he's reached a plateau and we need to change.

Samurai Stang wrote:

Topper wrote: The C of C stepped in and put up enough cash to breathe life into a dying program. A large group of alums put up enough nickels and dimes to bring the program back after the death penalty. If you have no gratitude for the philanthropy of well meaning people who love SMU then you should follow another team. If you havent noticed we dont sell a lot of tickets or get a lot of TV or bowl money. I don't always agree with the administration or with JJ but I think the program would be on the level of a Trinity or Austin College without them.

And all that the Circle of Champions demands in return is blind obedience! Woe to the ungrateful masses that dare voice an opinion!

But wait! You speak of the Circle of Champions as though you are not part of it! How dare you voice an opinion! You have not paid for that right! To avoid such a mistake in the future, I recommend you embrace silence.

That.... Was.... Awesome

Samurai Stang wrote:

Topper wrote: The C of C stepped in and put up enough cash to breathe life into a dying program. A large group of alums put up enough nickels and dimes to bring the program back after the death penalty. If you have no gratitude for the philanthropy of well meaning people who love SMU then you should follow another team. If you havent noticed we dont sell a lot of tickets or get a lot of TV or bowl money. I don't always agree with the administration or with JJ but I think the program would be on the level of a Trinity or Austin College without them.

And all that the Circle of Champions demands in return is blind obedience! Woe to the ungrateful masses that dare voice an opinion!

But wait! You speak of the Circle of Champions as though you are not part of it! How dare you voice an opinion! You have not paid for that right! To avoid such a mistake in the future, I recommend you embrace silence.

You seem unable to carry on a discussion without sarcasm and what you believe to be wit. I have never said that the C of C is infallible or that their huge amount of influence is a good thing. I'm just pointing out the fact that they stepped in when no one else, individually or collectively, would do so. Our program doesn't make a lot of money, so people who are generous are necessary for our survival. That's just how it is.

anyone who doesn't appreciate what the C of C have done for this program has not been paying attention. Those folks paying premium for suites and club seats are doing their part, as well. Now, if we can just find a way to generate another 10-15,000 full paying customers on gamedays and double our Mustang Club membership...

Topper wrote:

Samurai Stang wrote:

Topper wrote: The C of C stepped in and put up enough cash to breathe life into a dying program. A large group of alums put up enough nickels and dimes to bring the program back after the death penalty. If you have no gratitude for the philanthropy of well meaning people who love SMU then you should follow another team. If you havent noticed we dont sell a lot of tickets or get a lot of TV or bowl money. I don't always agree with the administration or with JJ but I think the program would be on the level of a Trinity or Austin College without them.

And all that the Circle of Champions demands in return is blind obedience! Woe to the ungrateful masses that dare voice an opinion!

But wait! You speak of the Circle of Champions as though you are not part of it! How dare you voice an opinion! You have not paid for that right! To avoid such a mistake in the future, I recommend you embrace silence.

You seem unable to carry on a discussion without sarcasm and what you believe to be wit. I have never said that the C of C is infallible or that their huge amount of influence is a good thing. I'm just pointing out the fact that they stepped in when no one else, individually or collectively, would do so. Our program doesn't make a lot of money, so people who are generous are necessary for our survival. That's just how it is.

No, what you said is that we aren't paying, the CoC is, so there is "no use" discussing the future of our coach. Discussing the proper course of the CoC's future actions, in your mind, is the equivalent of having "no gratitude" and you suggested that if we had "no gratitude," by your definition, we "should follow another team." In other words, if we have an opinion of what the CoC should do and we are not CoC, we should remain silent.

I believe that Samurai is simply suggesting that the coin rolls both ways.

Charleston Pony wrote:anyone who doesn't appreciate what the C of C have done for this program has not been paying attention. Those folks paying premium for suites and club seats are doing their part, as well. Now, if we can just find a way to generate another 10-15,000 full paying customers on gamedays and double our Mustang Club membership...

I have actually been criticized on this board because I have the temerity to buy club seats! I have been told that I don't have school spirit because the crowd in the club level is too quiet. I am not well off enough to be in the C of C, but I am happy to support the team to the extent that I can. Most of my SMU circle also bought the 5 year season ticket package that the AD begged us purchase during the first year of the death penalty when there was no ticket money coming in. Others on this board criticized my friends and me for doing so because they felt that we were supporting "losers." Money is where its at these days. I wish that there were more people to spread the cost of keeping this program alive, but they sure don't seem to be showing up at the games. Until then, we are going to have to deal with the input of those who are writing the really big checks.

Topper wrote:

Samurai Stang wrote:

Topper wrote: My point was that I doubt that a single member of the C of C has any particular interest in the rants on this board. For better or worse they are a group of very powerful and influential people who undoubtedly have a point of view of the situation based on more information than any of us can access.

Yes! Submit to the will of your overlords! Independent thought is a disease that must be eliminated!

The C of C stepped in and put up enough cash to breathe life into a dying program. A large group of alums put up enough nickels and dimes to bring the program back after the death penalty. If you have no gratitude for the philanthropy of well meaning people who love SMU then you should follow another team. If you havent noticed we dont sell a lot of tickets or get a lot of TV or bowl money. I don't always agree with the administration or with JJ but I think the program would be on the level of a Trinity or Austin College without them.

Go Roos!!!!

It wouldn't hurt my feelings if the defense made half or more of the points every game...as long as we win. It is a team sport you know.

PK wrote:It wouldn't hurt my feelings if the defense made half or more of the points every game...as long as we win. It is a team sport you know.

Well I guess having the greatest turnover defense of all time is a possibility.

Buying club seats is not in itself a bad thing, but watching a Cards-Giants game during the 2nd quarter of a close game should not be tolerated.

I got the privilege of going to the Michigan-Alabama game via suite tickets that were graciously made available to my father's company. I couldn't have imagined a worse live-game experience, but I understand that some people like to be in the masses while others like to be in the club level. To Each His Own. I apologize if some people have not made that distinction and ostracize the club level ticket holders for not ascribing to their own game-viewing philosophies.