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More relevant playing in a bowl game though

Again friendly disagreement, but once conference realignment destroys the BE and we are in the disguised Div 1-aa. No bowl game will make us relevant relative to the average fan. Dallas is going to be color of orange, maroon, purple, red, green. I know this is negative talk, but i cant help but feel its real talk.

SMU_Alumni11 wrote:Again friendly disagreement, but once conference realignment destroys the BE and we are in the disguised Div 1-aa. No bowl game will make us relevant relative to the average fan. Dallas is going to be color of orange, maroon, purple, red, green. I know this is negative talk, but i cant help but feel its real talk.

I cant tell if you're trolling or serious. It is in our best interest to go to a bowl game every year.

SMU_Alumni11 wrote:If the BE collapses as its looking that way right now. I expect SMU to keep him as the showing of the white flag on our shot at college football. What would be the point to buy him out if we will be going right back to Cupcake USA. Win or lose, we are irrelevant.

There will be enough teams in the Big East to exist and there is a 10 million dollar exit fee for leaving. So we will be in the Big East next year.

East Coast Mustang wrote:

SMU_Alumni11 wrote:Again friendly disagreement, but once conference realignment destroys the BE and we are in the disguised Div 1-aa. No bowl game will make us relevant relative to the average fan. Dallas is going to be color of orange, maroon, purple, red, green. I know this is negative talk, but i cant help but feel its real talk.

I cant tell if you're trolling or serious. It is in our best interest to go to a bowl game every year.

Ok do you know what trolling is or do you just like to think you know what it is?

It's irrelevant bowl games dude. They don't boost attendance. Need empirical evidence look at our stadium no chance. If anything a negative trend. Not trying to start an argument but winning 100 Hawaii like bowls do nothing other than a little money

SMU_Alumni11 wrote:If the BE collapses as its looking that way right now. I expect SMU to keep him as the showing of the white flag on our shot at college football. What would be the point to buy him out if we will be going right back to Cupcake USA. Win or lose, we are irrelevant.

Will LB leave if the Big East collapses?

PonySnob wrote:

SMU_Alumni11 wrote:If the BE collapses as its looking that way right now. I expect SMU to keep him as the showing of the white flag on our shot at college football. What would be the point to buy him out if we will be going right back to Cupcake USA. Win or lose, we are irrelevant.

Will LB leave if the Big East collapses?

No basketball is different everyone has a shot to win. Conferences are pretty irrelevant due to numerous games played.

JJ is not going anywhere next year. We are all fired up right now, but JJ is not going anywhere. We need to accept this and support the team.

No major FBS team will take him after the fiasco of the season and ASU last year. If you look at his tenure at UH he had set back years like this there too and he didn't pack his bags and leave.

If you look at his accomplishments to date - he has 3 bowls in 5 years and potential for a 4th. Hart is not going to pull the trigger. JJ will decide to stay partly for the money, but mostly for ego. He won't want this to be his closing legacy at SMU.

then he will end up with a legacy as a giant loser here because he has not recruited, will not be able to field a competitive team in the BE (assuming it continues to exist) and will likely lose most of the half-way decent commits that he has for next year. back to one win seasons. we will then have come full circle. he will also be playing to an empty stadium,the donations shrink dramatically and season ticket sales will be an embarrassment.

I believed that when the Great Lei was brought here, part of the reason was for redemption: he wanted to see what he could do with a real recruiting budget in a talent-rich area. I thought he wanted to prove himself and his system; that what happened in the Sugar Bowl against Georgia was only because of lack of talent given the difficulties of (practically) no recruiting budget at Hawai'i.

Was I wrong.

redpony wrote:then he will end up with a legacy as a giant loser here because he has not recruited, will not be able to field a competitive team in the BE (assuming it continues to exist) and will likely lose most of the half-way decent commits that he has for next year. back to one win seasons. we will then have come full circle. he will also be playing to an empty stadium,the donations shrink dramatically and season ticket sales will be an embarrassment.

If he stays, he will have the unique legacy of a man who both resurrected and destroyed a program within the span of 7 years. Not sure he really wants to go out that way; it makes him virtually un-hireable.

he's near retirement age. i don't really think he cares.

redpony wrote:then he will end up with a legacy as a giant loser here because he has not recruited, will not be able to field a competitive team in the BE (assuming it continues to exist) and will likely lose most of the half-way decent commits that he has for next year. back to one win seasons. we will then have come full circle. he will also be playing to an empty stadium,the donations shrink dramatically and season ticket sales will be an embarrassment.

That is a real possibility. My point was his decision will be based on ego more than money or other considerations. I don't think he can envision another season like this one for next season.

Paying him off is not a real consideration. We don't have the BE money yet. So the decision is pretty much in JJ's hands. He has had enough success to make a new AD very nervous about pulling the trigger. It also makes the CoC nervous if they are asked to invest in the next guy with the way this one has turned out.

As far as donations and season tickets go. I know PFs are really angry right now, but in the end I doubt as many of us will not buy tickets, BLVD spots or make donations. We have invested too much of ourselves into hoping, caring and wishing our little Pony will grow back into a Mustang.

This is a crappy place to find ourselves in. It's like watching a wreck in slow motion. We want to fix it, but someone else is driving the bus.

stc9 wrote: This is a crappy place to find ourselves in. It's like watching a wreck in slow motion. We want to fix it, but someone else is driving the bus.

A slow painful demise.

SMU_Alumni11 wrote:If the BE collapses as its looking that way right now.

I've been out of the loop...is the Big East Conference really about to collapse?