Where are the June Jones Supporters ...

[PerunaPunch]

Once JJ pulled the ASU stunt, is when more folks started to turn on him. I think some who would normally cut him some slack have less patience when he blew up one of the best recruiting classes we would have had in years. And he wrapped it up in double talk.

I have to agree with this. Klemm was history regardless of the ASU stunt. And with him went the high-profile class. But of Klemm's recruits, I think Eddie Printz was the only one who had a shot to play here.

[Stallion]

He's not going to get fired-jeez that's just some post-game anger blowing hot air. He might walk away when he realizes the talent level probably ain't going to get him far on next year's schedule. The best solution would be for SMU to put pressure on him to get him to throw retirement parties for 3-4 old codgers on his staff and replace them with aggressive, young recruiters with Texas ties.

[Rebel10]

Let's just deflect all the blame on players and Klemm. June Jones is just only at fault a little bit for maybe a play or two he called. Watch June light it up in recruiting this year with the hindrance of Klemm being gone even though he signed off on all the recruits. Can't wait to see SMU play Tech, ATM., Baylor and TCU in 2013 with all those June Jones recruits because according to PPunch we recruit better without Klemm than we do with him so I expect good things next year. If Coach Jones wouldn't have hired Klemm SMU would have beaten or at least played better against Baylor and ATM.

[Treadway21]

He's not going to get fired-jeez that's just some post-game anger blowing hot air. He might walk away when he realizes the talent level probably ain't going to get him far on next year's schedule. The best solution would be for SMU to put pressure on him to get him to throw retirement parties for 3-4 old codgers on his staff and replace them with aggressive, young recruiters with Texas ties.

But what are the chances of this? I can't imagine him agreeing to something like this. Or if anyone in the administration has the balls to demand it.

[Rebel10]

I'm definitely a June Jones supporter. Looking at where the program was in 2008 and where it is now, I think the results speak for themselves. Obviously, there are a lot of factors there besides June. But I think the June haters also overstate their case that he hasn't played a big role.

I have stated previously, however, that while I am grateful to June and appreciate what he's done, it is going to take new blood to move this thing to the next level. Our games the last couple of years against Big-12/SEC opponents have proven that. June's taken the program as far as its going to go with the existing talent level. And I don't see the talent level rising significantly with the current staff's recruiting efforts.

I don't see June being fired. Absent a scandal, to fire him mid-season after a three-year stretch of far and away the best football anyone has seen on the Hilltop since 1986 would be absurd and reflect poorly on SMU. It might also chill our ability to attract a top-tier replacement for anything less than an astronomical contract. Coaches don't want to step into a situation where they are just a few bad games from being canned. Maybe for a shot at UT or Alabama (which are the jobs everyone aspires to), but certainly not at SMU.

But remember that we have a new AD, and ADs like to make their mark by bringing in their own people. I see Hart and June parting ways in the next year or two and Hart and the COC going after a big-time hire with a big-time staff. Don't worry, it will happen. June isn't going to be extended again. And I promise you that the next coach will be well north of $2 million per year.

Sounds like an objective JJ supporter.

[PerunaPunch]

Klemm was on the right track. Two of his WR commitments Chris Harper at Cal and Gabe Marks at WSU are already tearing it up in the PAC and would have made us a better team this year and the future

And this would have been a perfectly valid point if Marks had a snowballs chance in hell of being eligible long enough to take a single snap for SMU.

Making a statement like that I guess you know enough factual information about the young man to publicly degrade him like that. What factual information do you have to support your attack on his academic situation?

I would never, ever have stooped to making that remark except that there are a bunch of people who persist on espousing Klemm as the greatest coach since Lombardi. I think Klemm was a terrific GA. He is young, cool and gave our OL some much-needed attitude. But as we know firsthand from players who said they learned more from Wes Suan (a RB coach for goodness sake) in the few weeks leading up to the BBVA Compass Bowl than they did from Klemm all year long, he was not a good teacher. I think if you do some snooping around, you might find some pretty interesting info on many of Klemm's recruits, which for one reason or another, would never have played a single snap at SMU.

[Rebel10]

Klemm took over the UCLA line that Palcic coached and is dong better that Palcic did. Suan coached OL for June a while at Hawaii. But if you like to down Klemm so it makes you feel better fine. Just thought you have more info on Marks that you might want to let us know about since you basically degraded the young man academically.

[PerunaPunch]

Let's just deflect all the blame on players and Klemm. June Jones is just only at fault a little bit for maybe a play or two he called.

If you read my original post, there is plenty of blame to go around. Including a fair amount of blame sitting squarely in June's lap. Cause at the end of the day, the buck stops in June's office.

Watch June light it up in recruiting this year with the hindrance of Klemm being gone even though he signed off on all the recruits. Can't wait to see SMU play Tech, ATM., Baylor and TCU in 2013 with all those June Jones recruits because according to PPunch we recruit better without Klemm than we do with him so I expect good things next year.

Hey, at least the recruits we have can actually play. Again, with the exception of Printz who I would love to have here, I'nm not sure if any of the high-profile recruits Klemm offered would ever have played. So yeah, give me a bunch of 2 and 3 star recruits over nobody. I think we lost Printz in the ASU debacle when the coaching staff was not able to kowtow to Printz's father and return all hundred of his calls during a dead period.

If Coach Jones wouldn't have hired Klemm SMU would have beaten or at least played better against Baylor and ATM.

Klemm (as GA) was a fine hire, but promoting him the OL position coach was probably premature. Of course, that decision may have had to do with replacing McKnight.

[Stallion]

He's not going to get fired-jeez that's just some post-game anger blowing hot air. He might walk away when he realizes the talent level probably ain't going to get him far on next year's schedule. The best solution would be for SMU to put pressure on him to get him to throw retirement parties for 3-4 old codgers on his staff and replace them with aggressive, young recruiters with Texas ties.

But what are the chances of this? I can't imagine him agreeing to something like this. Or if anyone in the administration has the balls to demand it.

Mack Brown turned over his entire staff - what-2 or was it 3 years-after a National Championship-you would think June was smart enough to think of of it himself because somethings got to give with SMU playing a tougher schedule.

[Rebel10]

Yep PPunch he is doing a terrible job at with UCLA's line. Guess what, we have a bunch of 2 and 3 star underrecruited players now. I know you have a personal agenda against Klemm so I will just watch as you go on and on. I know you are a sponsor and have to support by June by any means necessary and taper any criticism so I will let it go at that as SMU's demise could be slow and painful as I have stated elsewhere. We will probably do better against much lower talent in a conference having a down year.

[PerunaPunch]

For what it's worth, at least so far, I really like the addition of Timmy Chang and Jason Phillips.

[PerunaPunch]

Yep PPunch he is doing a terrible job at with UCLA's line. Guess what, we have a bunch of 2 and 3 star underrecruited players now. I know you have a personal agenda against Klemm so I will just watch as you go on and on. I know you are a sponsor and have to support by June by any means necessary and taper any criticism so I will let it go at that as SMU's demise could be slow and painful as I have stated elsewhere. We will probably do better against much lower talent in a conference having a down year.

Actually, I wouldn't go so far as to say we were best buds or anything, but I liked (and still do like) Coach Klemm quite a bit. We are friends. I wish him all the success in the world a UCLA. He's a very smart guy, so hopefully he learned some things here so that he'll continue being successful at UCLA.

Sponsor, yes. Support June by any means necessary, no.

Before you trash me about Marks and Klemm, why don't you first ask around, do a little research for yourself, and see what you find out?

[redpony]

For what it's worth, at least so far, I really like the addition of Timmy Chang and Jason Phillips.

Sure?? Our qb is really lighting it up since he has been getting special instruction/attention from Chang. And Oh My! our recruiting has just soared since JP got here. He has also really helped the wr's move to a new lever. They are running routes and catching balls like they never have before -NOT.

We need to clean house at the end of this season so the new coach and recruit some decent players.

[PerunaPunch]

Yeah, I happen to like the way Phillips jumped the WR's sh** for playing like pansies against Baylor. You haven't given the man much time to make a difference.

[78pony]

Phillips may have jumped the receivers. Great. Maybe try coaching them up a little. Maybe try to do something in recruiting (nice that you went to a HS game but if you can't bring home the bacon...). I can't imagine anyone having 4 starters, with 3 that catch the ball so poorly. Then, you have Dieter as clearly a future star spending way too much time on the sideline. Play him. He's got game, is cocky, and is not afraid to go get it.

As a ut friend said after our game Saturday, you guys have one the worst coaching staffs I have ever seen at this level (and he coached at this level for 8 years). Terrible game adjustments. No fire. And why is your DC in the booth and not on the field (because he obviously has no one he can trust to put up there - he answers his own question).

If you people can't see that we are on the Titanic at this point then good luck to ya.'