JJ is 4 and 21 against teams with winning records

[ponyboy]

I don't know if taking a team that for two decades was the fourth or fifth losing-est team in all of college football to a 90 percent win percentage (or even 70 percent in the case of Stanford) in his first four and half seasons is even a remotely reasonable expectation.

[SMU 86]

Gary Patterson also went 11-2 in his 3rd season. But I think I see what you are trying to say in that we should be happy where we are.

[ponyboy]

Actually, I don't have a firm conclusion. I am just looking for a reasonable expectation, a team we could reasonably expect to resemble after four and a half years of Jones taking over this team.

[redpony]

yea- p-boy will be happy with winning 4-5 games. Not my idea of a winning, top level team. Especially after 5 years of a 'master coach from the NFL'

[ponyboy]

You dont know what I think. Don't put words in my mouth.

[SMU 86]

Actually, I don't have a firm conclusion. I am just looking for a reasonable expectation, a team we could reasonably expect to resemble after four and a half years of Jones taking over this team.

That is more of an individual thing of preference. If you are good with where we are according to how you view the situation then you are fine with it. Everyone is a bit different.

[ponyboy]

Forget individual preference. Tell me what is a reasonable expectation, a team we should reasonably expect to be like by now.

[SMU2007]

We should reasonably expect to win C-USA.

[SMU 86]

Forget individual preference. Tell me what is a reasonable expectation, a team we should reasonably expect to be like by now.

I guess you could ask Coach Jones, Rick Hart or President Turner what the expectations should be. Not trying to be funny but just saying. To some getting to a bowl game is their only expectation because they had never been to a bowl before June. Others who were here before the DP might have expectations of being competitive on the big stage or against BCS teams. Depends on your prospective.

[ponyboy]

Which we can still do this year, btw, though it admittedly doesn't look good after that UCF game. That's a fair expectation IMO.

[mrydel]

How about Northwestern. They set a national record for most consecutive losses. Gary Barnett came in and in a relatively short period of time took them to the top of the Big 10. They, while not a powerhouse have been able to maintain respectability since and bowl eligible more often than not. Oh, and also, while in the midst of a 29 game losing streak set attendance records at their games. My father started going just to witness the thrill of the game they played even while losing.

Or Vanderbilt. No bowls and locked in the cellar for years as a small private school in the toughest conference in the nation. Franklin has turned them around in 2 years, not into a conference champion but into a team that no longer is looked at as a walkover in the SEC and improving daily and going to bowl games, again, in the toughest conference in the nation.

We, while coming back from the dead, have maintained only a level of mediocrity for the past 2 years rather than continuing to climb or building respect.

[mr. pony]

Somebody give me a midmajor team you reasonably wish we were equal to at this point in the June Jones era.

TCU
BAYLOR
TECH
We shouldn't BE a "mid-major" at this point. Who started this "mid-major" crap anyway?

Jones was hired to get us back to "1982-major."
It's clear now he never intended that.

[SMU2007]

I think another fair expectation would be for us to not get absolutely embarrassed in the majority of our losses. When we lose, we constantly seem to lose by 3+ TDs, which I find really frustrating. I don't want to spend the time scouring TCU's box scores, but it sure seems like they are in most games, underdog or not, and it's been that way for a while.

[ponyboy]

How about Northwestern. They set a national record for most consecutive losses. Gary Barnett came in and in a relatively short period of time took them to the top of the Big 10. They, while not a powerhouse have been able to maintain respectability since and bowl eligible more often than not. Oh, and also, while in the midst of a 29 game losing streak set attendance records at their games. My father started going just to witness the thrill of the game they played even while losing.

Or Vanderbilt. No bowls and locked in the cellar for years as a small private school in the toughest conference in the nation. Franklin has turned them around in 2 years, not into a conference champion but into a team that no longer is looked at as a walkover in the SEC and improving daily and going to bowl games, again, in the toughest conference in the nation.

We, while coming back from the dead, have maintained only a level of mediocrity for the past 2 years rather than continuing to climb or building respect.

Northwestern and Vandy seem to me good comparisons. Let me go run numbers on how they did against teams with winning records the last three years versus how we did the last three years against winning teams.

[SMU 86]

Which we can still do this year, btw, though it admittedly doesn't look good after that UCF game. That's a fair expectation IMO.

I can go with that expectation as well.