Can someone tell why I need to be exicted about Hawaii Bowl?

[RE Tycoon]

CUSA most certainly does have a voice on which teams go where-basically they are going to try to maximize revenues-the Commissioner has stated that its less slotting and more of a corraborative decision on which teams go to which Bowls-at least in CUSA that's how it happens

Thanks for repeating what I said.

[SMU_Alumni11]

So you want to go to a bowl where 3,000 people will show up and the school has to buy the remaining 10,000 tickets?

If memory serves, we played in Dallas last year and we sold our allotment and tickets were going for laughingly high amounts on stub hub. Depending on the opponent, the Cotton Bowl will most likely be half full, but SMU has proven they can sell tickets to a Dallas bowl game (as we should).

I agree with the USC - TCU faction. We should play in the bowl with the most prominent name school, no matter where it is located.

And for the people that think CUSA will punish us, you have no idea how bowl games work. There is a pecking order of bowls and they pick who they want, the conference doesn't do the picking. Besides, the conference wants the bowl games to be well attended so they can keep their affiliations, so even if they could make the call, they'd be shooting themselves in the foot by sending SMU, UH, or UCF to a bowl game purposely to effect attendance.

I can say the AFB was pretty full, so its possible to sell a decent crowd. Just thinking like if you had the chance to play in the Cotton Bowl, you will be the first SMU team to return there since over a decade. I mean the stadium was our home for 46 years (32-78) + 5 (95-00) = 51 years.

[smudubs]

D-, time will tell that Hawaii bowl will be a mistake, especially if we lose to Hawaii. There is no getting around it: Its for June, Its for Hawaii's economy (not ours), its a free trip for players, an excusable trip for rich alums. Now if you are to say this is great way to punish fans for poor attendance, then by all means you are correct. It sucks for those who did show up to every game, but the majority that didnt should get slapped with no bowl game to travel to. Also when you are talking about recuriting, please mention its minimal for us getting good and big talent, but a great recruiting tool for Hawaii, because theyll see the huge rainbow losers crowd.

Unless you are talking about 5,000 SMU fans going to the Cotton Bowl, what bowl game are you talking about "our fans" travelling to? Our fans DO NOT travel, not even to Ford Stadium.[/quote]

I think you are right that if we just left our usual crap marketing the way it is and go to the cotton bowl. However, if some booster or campus donation or something goes out and gets every marketing piece available (other than you know primetime tv ads) and lets people know SMU returns to its stadium : Cotton Bowl. I'm sure it can garner attention. I really wish it was a Big 12 vs CUSA, then most likely would be a SWC match, but for some reason they rather get a Big 10 team. I think there will be well over 5000 fans, at least 15000 would go (without any marketing help). I do also think its a treat for players to play at the cotton bowl, I can understand the AFB not being a treat. I remember someone saying that players never been to Hawaii and all that but thats true for every year. We can just go every other year to Hawaii to make sure everyone sees it.[/quote]

I will take a deep breath and then dive into this. First, we are heading to the Big East. The Big East does not have a bowl tie-in with the Hawaii bowl. If June wants the players to go to Hawaii, this is the year to do it. Secondly, THE PLAYERS DON'T WANT TO PLAY IN DALLAS. That one I think is self explanatory. Third, where do you get 15,000 fans from for the Ticket City Bowl? I assume you mean total fans? We rarely draw 15k home fans for our regular games. And 15k in the Cotton Bowl looks far worse than 15K in Ford. Think of what the crowd looked like at the Memphis game and you will have a pretty good idea of what attendance would look like. Fourth, the Cotton Bowl is a dump. Now I could get excited about playing in the Cotton Bowl game at Jerry World, but the stadium is nothing exciting. There is a reason AT&T moved the game away from the stadium.

Kid, you have some issues. Don't get your panties in a bunch because June wants to take the guys who go to war with and for him on a daily basis to the Islands. Don't get upset that your school gives free food to all those who are interested. And I beg you, choose who you want to go after on this board wisely. While everything here is generally good natured, there are some here who: (1) know the program much better than you; (2) have a better understanding of football; and (3) have more life experiences than you and are able to put these things into perspective.

[PonyPlayer4]

Any bowl but the AFB again please.

[SMU_Alumni11]

D-, time will tell that Hawaii bowl will be a mistake, especially if we lose to Hawaii. There is no getting around it: Its for June, Its for Hawaii's economy (not ours), its a free trip for players, an excusable trip for rich alums. Now if you are to say this is great way to punish fans for poor attendance, then by all means you are correct. It sucks for those who did show up to every game, but the majority that didnt should get slapped with no bowl game to travel to. Also when you are talking about recuriting, please mention its minimal for us getting good and big talent, but a great recruiting tool for Hawaii, because theyll see the huge rainbow losers crowd.

I think you are right that if we just left our usual crap marketing the way it is and go to the cotton bowl. However, if some booster or campus donation or something goes out and gets every marketing piece available (other than you know primetime tv ads) and lets people know SMU returns to its stadium : Cotton Bowl. I'm sure it can garner attention. I really wish it was a Big 12 vs CUSA, then most likely would be a SWC match, but for some reason they rather get a Big 10 team. I think there will be well over 5000 fans, at least 15000 would go (without any marketing help). I do also think its a treat for players to play at the cotton bowl, I can understand the AFB not being a treat. I remember someone saying that players never been to Hawaii and all that but thats true for every year. We can just go every other year to Hawaii to make sure everyone sees it.

I will take a deep breath and then dive into this. First, we are heading to the Big East. The Big East does not have a bowl tie-in with the Hawaii bowl. If June wants the players to go to Hawaii, this is the year to do it. Secondly, THE PLAYERS DON'T WANT TO PLAY IN DALLAS. That one I think is self explanatory. Third, where do you get 15,000 fans from for the Ticket City Bowl? I assume you mean total fans? We rarely draw 15k home fans for our regular games. And 15k in the Cotton Bowl looks far worse than 15K in Ford. Think of what the crowd looked like at the Memphis game and you will have a pretty good idea of what attendance would look like. Fourth, the Cotton Bowl is a dump. Now I could get excited about playing in the Cotton Bowl game at Jerry World, but the stadium is nothing exciting. There is a reason AT&T moved the game away from the stadium.

Kid, you have some issues. Don't get your panties in a bunch because June wants to take the guys who go to war with and for him on a daily basis to the Islands. Don't get upset that your school gives free food to all those who are interested. And I beg you, choose who you want to go after on this board wisely. While everything here is generally good natured, there are some here who: (1) know the program much better than you; (2) have a better understanding of football; and (3) have more life experiences than you and are able to put these things into perspective.[/quote]

So basically all you are saying is it's your way or the highway? If you looked at fan attendance at our previous games its been around 20k, i just assume take out 5k for going home. The Hawaii bowl in BE was a joke so calm down before you get a heart attack. Cotton bowl isnt a dump otherwise red river rivalry would never pick that play to play. They do it for obvious tradition, so why give up on our old tradition there in our old home? Jerry world is nothing to get excited about, its just a brand new stadium thats it. No history. Before diagnosing the situation, clearly nobody has issues on here theyre just venting or saying their opinions. Obviously if you dont like that then message boards, general society would have a problem with you. I dont mean to start an issue with you, but its extremely annoying and insulting to act superior to people on a message board, and trying to make people with you. You could just disagree offer better reasons than I know more, I have better understanding, and more life experiences. Rather you should just welcome discussion and criticism that people see. If you have solid facts than you can set the record straight, but by no means should you try to shut people out. This should always be good natured, there shouldnt be any pile ups or threatening comments.

[2ndandlong]

Red River Rivalry is in a long term contract at cotton bowl. I doubt it is renewed there.

[2ndandlong]

wish it were renewed there, but I doubt it.

[SMU_Alumni11]

wish it were renewed there, but I doubt it.

I hate when theyre in our home stadium. I say we play our home game against TCU there. I enjoy when SMU2BCS screw with them there.

[ojaipony]

To answer your question ...

Because it is located in HAWAII!!

Also, typically no TV competition at that time.

[RSFan]

You can make all the excuses you want but June wants to go to Hawaii so he can play rock star.

but i think we need to move up and playing in Hawaii is the same old thing - with June having yet another opportunity to act like he is Hawaiian when he is from friggin Oregon.

When do they get to feel like a rock star? Maybe if we showed our loyal fans some appreciation there would be more of them.

Whoa there Pony... I believe your attempt to define June Jones is all wrong... I don't see anything in his demeanor to resemble him trying to be anything other than a Re-Builder of Programs, definitely not a rock star. June still feels there is a long way to go until he will be satisfied with his work. He reminds us often that "WE are not there yet".

June knows better than Ponyfans what he has right now and what is still missing. Of course he also has an ego and he does not like that which is still missing and what it has cost him personally. An example, his reputation of "always bringing a high powered offense" that primarily comes from a qualified quarterback. That definition of June has not been published since mid season last year.

June Jones committed himself to SMU and it was not the money, money means next to nothing to him. June Jones understands the Marketing and Promotion of football. Three years ago Hawaii wanted a match-up and June said, later. Now, I believe, he feels he has a team that can win that game.. June Jones Priority is still work in progress, teaching his kids how to WIN, implanting the WINNING mentality on the team. A mentality that has taken a serious set back since the downward spiral last year and the let down by the fans after TCU . We are now where we were before the Nevada game.

He knows the team must win it's bowl this year. He knows SMU Football needs to recapture the same energy which SMU derived from beating Nevada in Hawaii. He is "The Coach" who knows how to take a team to Hawaii and keep them focused and win in a very hostile environment full of distraction where BCS schools are often afraid to go. Playing Nevada in Hawaii is not relevant to the possible R&S cage fight against the entire Hawaiian population and the potential buzz that would be created and the reward a big win would bring. Just pole college fans accross the country, ask them if they would like to see a fight with Hawaii.........

As for those who think "June Jones thinks he is Hawaiian" that is laughable to the Islanders who know him, I am sure. Yes he understands, respects and loves the cultures of the Hawaiian, Samoan and Tongan but the Islands are his home and final resting place. The Hawaiians in particular "return the respect to him and have honored him with inclusion to their Ohana (family), something very few earn and June values that honor very much. Many SMU people don't understand this and often sound like a jealous spouse.

Trust June, be patient, support him, he knows what he is doing, the missing pieces are on the way, SMU Football Relevancy is his Capstone, he won't quit until it is accomplished.

[SBR Pony]

One part about the argument that says "Hawaii Bowl is on Christmas even so no conflicts!"

...who the heck other than hardcore Pony fans are watching a football game on Christmas eve?

[cutter]

One part about the argument that says "Hawaii Bowl is on Christmas even so no conflicts!"

...who the heck other than hardcore Pony fans are watching a football game on Christmas eve?

hardcore football fans and hardcore recruits.

[Insane_Pony_Posse]

who the heck other than hardcore Pony fans are watching a football game on Christmas eve?

are you kidding?

it's the only football game on national television in that time-slot

there are millions of guys that cant stand the "family dramas" & BS that sometimes
surrounds Christmas holidays....I know plenty of guys that dread dealing with people
they dont really like....in-laws ect....they are "forced" to grin and bear it because
"well it's Christmas"..but they cant wait til it's over and they can get away from
Aunt Blue-Hair, Uncle Know-It-All, bad breath Grandpa Leo, & rug-rats running all
over the house....so they slip away in a back room or the man-cave and attempt
to escape the BS to watch a little college football.

[2ndandlong]

One part about the argument that says "Hawaii Bowl is on Christmas even so no conflicts!"

...who the heck other than hardcore Pony fans are watching a football game on Christmas eve?

that is the only thing NEW on television on Christmas Eve. it gets a 2.4 rating which is average to slightly above average for all bowl games.

[smudubs]

So basically all you are saying is it's your way or the highway? If you looked at fan attendance at our previous games its been around 20k, i just assume take out 5k for going home. The Hawaii bowl in BE was a joke so calm down before you get a heart attack. Cotton bowl isnt a dump otherwise red river rivalry would never pick that play to play. They do it for obvious tradition, so why give up on our old tradition there in our old home? Jerry world is nothing to get excited about, its just a brand new stadium thats it. No history. Before diagnosing the situation, clearly nobody has issues on here theyre just venting or saying their opinions. Obviously if you dont like that then message boards, general society would have a problem with you. I dont mean to start an issue with you, but its extremely annoying and insulting to act superior to people on a message board, and trying to make people with you. You could just disagree offer better reasons than I know more, I have better understanding, and more life experiences. Rather you should just welcome discussion and criticism that people see. If you have solid facts than you can set the record straight, but by no means should you try to shut people out. This should always be good natured, there shouldnt be any pile ups or threatening comments.

My comment was not intended to come across as belittling. It's ok to disagree. That's part of what makes this board fun. My comment concerning you having issues had more to do with your constant complaints about people eating at the Cox tent and your disapproval of the football team getting a "free trip" to Hawaii. It's not like they have done anything to earn that trip like practice 20 hours a week, study film during spare time, and maintain their grades.

Now regarding the rest of your rant, I honestly had trouble following it or seeing your point. As someone else stated, the Red River Rivalry likely will not continue at the Cotton Bowl. Also, the Cotton Bowl is not our home stadium.