Business school rankings

RGV Pony · Post by **RGV Pony** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:21 pm

Does someone have a link to the business school rankings that we frequently refernce on this board?

My soon to be senior in h.s. son is trying to find a definitive list.

George S. Patton · Post by **George S. Patton** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:07 pm

I thought U.S News and World Report always had them. And since Cox does so much advertising, I would think if you got on the school's web site and went to Cox, they could point you in that direction.

Good luck and hope your son comes north.

FroggieFever · Post by **FroggieFever** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:33 pm

But, honestly, being in business myself: they're worth NOTHING. Ask any professor at SMU, TCU, Texas [any good business school], and they'll confirm.

FWIW: TCU's #1 in Tejas According to WSJ

CalallenStang · Post by **CalallenStang** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:36 pm

As far as business schools, US News' rankings are a joke. They are wholly based on how other schools see them. The rankings to look at are BusinessWeek's rankings, as they factor in all kinds of important things.
http://bwnt.businessweek.com/bschools/u ... /index.asp

Cox also maintains a page focusing on its rankings
http://www.cox.smu.edu/aboutcox/rankings

Good luck to your son in his college search. I just got done with that process and it's very stressful, but very rewarding.

CalallenStang · Post by **CalallenStang** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:38 pm

FrogieFever wrote:But, honestly, being in business myself: they're worth NOTHING. Ask any professor at SMU, TCU, Texas [any good business school], and they'll confirm.

FWIW: TCU's #1 in Tejas According to WSJ

Agreed on the "worth NOTHING" part. The key to making the right decision is to visit and decide what fits you best.

Frogie, I thought that the WSJ rankings were for MBA? Perhaps I'm wrong...

FroggieFever · Post by **FroggieFever** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:39 pm

CalallenStang wrote:
FrogieFever wrote:But, honestly, being in business myself: they're worth NOTHING. Ask any professor at SMU, TCU, Texas [any good business school], and they'll confirm.

FWIW: TCU's #1 in Tejas According to WSJ
Agreed on the "worth NOTHING" part. The key to making the right decision is to visit and decide what fits you best.

Frogie, I thought that the WSJ rankings were for MBA? Perhaps I'm wrong...

I'm pretty sure it's for undergrad--but like I said, they're worth very little.

Regardless, next year SMU will be higher than us because of the new formula.

And you're spot on about US News.

EDIT: not that anyone cares:

* MBA program ranked #11 by the Wall Street Journal in a 2007
survey comparing 51 top regional MBA programs across the US.
* Top 20 MBA program by the Wall Sreet Journal for the third
consecutive year.
* Highest ranked Business School in Texas two years in a row
in the Wall Street Journal 2006 and 2007 Survey.
* Undergraduate program ranked #39 by BusinessWeek in 2007
survey of 1,400 business schools.
* Top 40 undergraduate program two years in a row by BusinessWeek
* #15 for ROI, #29 for internships, #31 for hardest working, by
BusinessWeek in 2007
* Ranked 9th for best campus facilities in 2007 student survey by
The Princeton Review, "282 Top Business Schools."

CalallenStang · Post by **CalallenStang** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:52 pm

FrogieFever wrote:
CalallenStang wrote:
FrogieFever wrote:But, honestly, being in business myself: they're worth NOTHING. Ask any professor at SMU, TCU, Texas [any good business school], and they'll confirm.

FWIW: TCU's #1 in Tejas According to WSJ
Agreed on the "worth NOTHING" part. The key to making the right decision is to visit and decide what fits you best.

Frogie, I thought that the WSJ rankings were for MBA? Perhaps I'm wrong...
I'm pretty sure it's for undergrad--but like I said, they're worth very little.

Regardless, next year SMU will be higher than us because of the new formula.

And you're spot on about US News.

EDIT: not that anyone cares:

* MBA program ranked #11 by the Wall Street Journal in a 2007
survey comparing 51 top regional MBA programs across the US.
* Top 20 MBA program by the Wall Sreet Journal for the third
consecutive year.
* Highest ranked Business School in Texas two years in a row
in the Wall Street Journal 2006 and 2007 Survey.
* Undergraduate program ranked #39 by BusinessWeek in 2007
survey of 1,400 business schools.
* Top 40 undergraduate program two years in a row by BusinessWeek
* #15 for ROI, #29 for internships, #31 for hardest working, by
BusinessWeek in 2007
* Ranked 9th for best campus facilities in 2007 student survey by
The Princeton Review, "282 Top Business Schools."

I don't know. I never really used the WSJ rankings. I just seem to remember hearing they were for MBA somewhere.

Nevertheless, TCU's business school is no doubt one of the best in Texas and competes with SMU and UT for that honor yearly and in each ranking. If you are looking for a small school environment with a quality business school, you absolutely cannot go wrong at either SMU or TCU.

FroggieFever · Post by **FroggieFever** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:59 pm

Exactly. I'm very familiar with the B-Schools in Texas. My favorites are: TCU, SMU, and Texas. Baylor is in there, as well [although I'm not a fan of Baylor in general]. SMU has some great people working in their B-School administration: specifically, Associate Director Jim Bryan. I've listened to him speak several times and he is so wonderful--a great representative of SMU. Mr. Bryan is very insightful and very knowledgeable in the B-world. At Baylor, Associate Dean Dr. Blaine McCormick is my favorite: he's very successful and knows what he's talking about and makes that a point. Dr. McCormick is very well known in Baylor's business department and very loved, even though he may come across as stern. Furthermore, I'd say David Minor, at TCU, is my favorite person. He's a billionaire entrepreneur that loves to teach; he's also a fun, as well as articulate, guy.

RGV Pony · Post by **RGV Pony** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:06 am

Thanks for the replies everyone.

The Stampede · Post by **The Stampede** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:13 am

Frogie - pretty sure the WSJ rankings are based on surveys of recruiters. I think it's graduate programs as well...

FroggieFever · Post by **FroggieFever** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:33 pm

The Stampede wrote:Frogie - pretty sure the WSJ rankings are based on surveys of recruiters. I think it's graduate programs as well...

It's actually not graduate... our graduate program is a little less impressive. But you're right about the recruiters.

PonyTime · Post by **PonyTime** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:51 pm

FrogieFever wrote:
The Stampede wrote:Frogie - pretty sure the WSJ rankings are based on surveys of recruiters. I think it's graduate programs as well...
It's actually not graduate... our graduate program is a little less impressive. But you're right about the recruiters.

The WSJ rankings are for Full Time MBA programs - and in the MBA world - they are the biggest joke of all the rankings - case in point that TCU is listed as the top FULL TIME MBA program in Texas. I am not trying to pick on TCU - But there are three other programs that most would rank ahead of Neely for Full Time (Cox, Jones, McCombs).

Another poster is correct that the Businessweek rankings are the most valid resource:

http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/06/full_time.htm

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/co ... 026066.htm

US News
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/r ... _brief.php

Financial Times:
http://rankings.ft.com/rankings/mba/rankings.html

WSJ:
http://www.careerjournal.com/reports/bs ... blede.html

FroggieFever · Post by **FroggieFever** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:58 pm

PonyTime wrote: The WSJ rankings are for Full Time MBA programs - and in the MBA world - they are the biggest joke of all the rankings - case in point that TCU is listed as the top FULL TIME MBA program in Texas. I am not trying to pick on TCU - But there are three other programs that most would rank ahead of Neely for Full Time (Cox, Jones, McCombs).

Here's an excerpt from the WSJ article:

The Neeley School of Business has been ranked as #18 in the nation by the The Wall Street Journal Guide to Top Business Schools and was the highest ranked overall business school in Texas, above such schools as University of Texas Austin, SMU, Texas A&M, and Rice.

LonghornFan68 · Post by **LonghornFan68** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:06 pm

FrogieFever wrote:
PonyTime wrote: The WSJ rankings are for Full Time MBA programs - and in the MBA world - they are the biggest joke of all the rankings - case in point that TCU is listed as the top FULL TIME MBA program in Texas. I am not trying to pick on TCU - But there are three other programs that most would rank ahead of Neely for Full Time (Cox, Jones, McCombs).
Here's an excerpt from the WSJ article:

The Neeley School of Business has been ranked as #18 in the nation by the The Wall Street Journal Guide to Top Business Schools and was the highest ranked overall business school in Texas, above such schools as University of Texas Austin, SMU, Texas A&M, and Rice.

All you did was reinforce that comment.

FroggieFever · Post by **FroggieFever** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:39 pm

LonghornFan68 wrote:
FrogieFever wrote:
PonyTime wrote: The WSJ rankings are for Full Time MBA programs - and in the MBA world - they are the biggest joke of all the rankings - case in point that TCU is listed as the top FULL TIME MBA program in Texas. I am not trying to pick on TCU - But there are three other programs that most would rank ahead of Neely for Full Time (Cox, Jones, McCombs).
Here's an excerpt from the WSJ article:

The Neeley School of Business has been ranked as #18 in the nation by the The Wall Street Journal Guide to Top Business Schools and was the highest ranked overall business school in Texas, above such schools as University of Texas Austin, SMU, Texas A&M, and Rice.
All you did was reinforce that comment.

Now I'm confused: how did I? WSJ just said that TCU is the "highest ranked overall business school in Texas," whereas the comment before mine states the opposite.

Yes, this is the WSJ which some of you dislike--being in the business world myself, I love it. However, like I said above, I don't agree with the ranking standards for business schools, or universities in general, used in today's world... so, other than the publicity, I couldn't care less if SMU was above TCU and vise versa.

In conclusion, who cares about the rankings. You're bound to get a fabulous education at SMU, Texas, Rice, or Tacoo.