Foul in closing seconds?

Original Frank · Post by **Original Frank** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:29 pm

Did anyone else think that a foul with UCF in possession and SMU up by three and less than 20 seconds left was common protocol? I kept waiting for the foul but it never came and left UCF to drain the three to tie the score as time expired. I was really surprised as I thought a foul there was as standard as playing with five players.

I'm not complaining as SMU won in OT. But let's all admit that we thought we had blown another one. Why no foul? Anyone have an idea?

mrydel · Post by **mrydel** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:32 pm

I would think maybe so with 5 seconds or less but isn't more proper protocol to never let the opposition score without the clock moving when you are ahead late?

Original Frank · Post by **Original Frank** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:36 pm

I think you give up the two in return for possession and the lead with less than 20 secs. Frankly, SMU could have fouled with 15 secs, 10 secs, or 5 secs. They just didn't. Not a big deal, just wondering.

mrydel · Post by **mrydel** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:44 pm

Original Frank wrote:I think you give up the two in return for possession and the lead with less than 20 secs. Frankly, SMU could have fouled with 15 secs, 10 secs, or 5 secs. They just didn't. Not a big deal, just wondering.

With SMU shooting free throws like they have this season, I would not have wanted the trade out. I would have waited until 5 seconds, fouled, and then even if SMU missed, UCF would have to rebound, go floor length and score. If I fouled with 20 seconds, miss one or two of my free throws then UCF has the ball down 1 or 2 with about 15 seconds. But then I do not coach BB.

mathman · Post by **mathman** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:50 pm

mrydel wrote:
Original Frank wrote:I think you give up the two in return for possession and the lead with less than 20 secs. Frankly, SMU could have fouled with 15 secs, 10 secs, or 5 secs. They just didn't. Not a big deal, just wondering.

With SMU shooting free throws like they have this season, I would not have wanted the trade out. I would have waited until 5 seconds, fouled, and then even if SMU missed, UCF would have to rebound, go floor length and score. If I fouled with 20 seconds, miss one or two of my free throws then UCF has the ball down 1 or 2 with about 15 seconds. But then I do not coach BB.

I think it worked out just fine. Wouldn't have wanted to get into a free throw contest with them.

George S. Patton · Post by **George S. Patton** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:53 pm

Original Frank wrote:Did anyone else think that a foul with UCF in possession and SMU up by three and less than 20 seconds left was common protocol? I kept waiting for the foul but it never came and left UCF to drain the three to tie the score as time expired. I was really surprised as I thought a foul there was as standard as playing with five players.

I'm not complaining as SMU won in OT. But let's all admit that we thought we had blown another one. Why no foul? Anyone have an idea?

If we had a foul a give, then I would have done it. But if UCF was in the bonus, you never want to put the team that's trailing at the line with the clock stopped. That's a big no no.

You want to play it out because if you get the scenario of going to overtime, you're the home team.

angryfan04 · Post by **angryfan04** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:38 pm

I agree....you don't foul in that situation....

MustangLaxer · Post by **MustangLaxer** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:34 am

you would be wrong then...maybe with our terrible free throw shooting team, but generally good teams foul in that situation and don't let the other team get a 3 point shot opportunity...

George S. Patton · Post by **George S. Patton** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:10 am

MustangLaxer wrote:you would be wrong then...maybe with our terrible free throw shooting team, but generally good teams foul in that situation and don't let the other team get a 3 point shot opportunity...

I understand what you're saying. But the clock is more your enemy than the opponent. I've seen it done your way before. I'm an advocate of keeping as big a lead as possible.

If you have a 3=point lead in the closing seconds (I mean under 6), then I would probably lean toward a foul. How about playing good defense?

UCF made its 3 with 12 seconds to play. I had no problem playing it straight up. They made the LOWER percentage shot. We had a shot to win at the end and missed.

friarwolf · Post by **friarwolf** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:12 am

I don't believe the ball ever went inside the 3 point line at the end of the game for SMU to consider fouling..................

mrydel · Post by **mrydel** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:36 am

friarwolf wrote:I don't believe the ball ever went inside the 3 point line at the end of the game for SMU to consider fouling..................

That is a good point and a sign of good coaching if true.

EastStang · Post by **EastStang** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:52 am

Not only that, but UCF could also sink first free throw, brick the second and get the rebound and then drain a 3 to win the game. Only way you allow it is (1) if you have great free throw shooters and (2) great rebounders who can shoot free throws. Otherwise, you're risking a loss. Also remember its in your gym.

MustangLaxer · Post by **MustangLaxer** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:13 pm

you guys had it seem like the 3 was made as time was expiring...i would allow UCF to take as much clock off as possible, hugging the 3 point shooters and try to force a 2 point attempt. If time gets below 5 seconds then foul on the floor. At some point you have to trust your guys to make the big shot...even big free throw shots.

George S. Patton · Post by **George S. Patton** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:23 pm

MustangLaxer wrote:you guys had it seem like the 3 was made as time was expiring...i would allow UCF to take as much clock off as possible, hugging the 3 point shooters and try to force a 2 point attempt. If time gets below 5 seconds then foul on the floor. At some point you have to trust your guys to make the big shot...even big free throw shots.

Then you didn't read my post.

MustangLaxer · Post by **MustangLaxer** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:10 pm

Original Frank wrote:Did anyone else think that a foul with UCF in possession and SMU up by three and less than 20 seconds left was common protocol? I kept waiting for the foul but it never came and left UCF to drain the three to tie the score as time expired. I was really surprised as I thought a foul there was as standard as playing with five players.

I'm not complaining as SMU won in OT. But let's all admit that we thought we had blown another one. Why no foul? Anyone have an idea?

I did read that tho Patton. Tool.

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