More on oversigning

CA Mustang · Post by **CA Mustang** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:22 pm

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/w ... index.html

Stallion · Post by **Stallion** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:43 pm

This is an excellent article-and I think that oversigning as I've mentioned before has real potential for abuse and basically is an unintended designation unintended by the rules that has been invented to get around the rules. It rewards the schools and coaches who are willing to bend the rules generally to sign the least qualified for Division 1A Football. If a school has an unusual amount of attrition it can always hold the scholarship open for late signees, transfers or deserving walkons. Players who qualify late could still be signed in the Summer. The rule serves the circumvent the evening of the playing field the 25/85 man limits were designed to achieve. Its time for the rule or rather the "non-rule" to go.

mathman · Post by **mathman** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:26 pm

Stallion, I have a question. I thought if a player grayshirted, he couldn't enroll in the school he signed with at all. The article said they could enroll as a part time student. If that is the case, can they use the weight room and other athletic facilities at that time?

d_pony · Post by **d_pony** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:43 pm

they can't use the facilities

Stallion · Post by **Stallion** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:44 pm

"They encouraged them to enroll part time -- which prevents their NCAA eligibility clock from starting -- either at Troy or at a school near their home so they could get a head start on college coursework and so Troy could free up another scholarship."

The foregoing reference was to Troy which I have been pointing out for sometime is one of a group of the usual southern Dummy schools that combine low in-state tuition and low general student population academic requirements to really help their program. I think-but am not sure-that a kid can pay his own way BUT HE CAN NOT RECEIVE ANY TUITION SCHOLARSHIPS-he has to pay his own way. They can't use the athletic facilities. Of course, that pretty well knocks prospective SMU recruits out of the box unless they have $20,000 for half a semester. NOTE: and this is key-a school like Troy can get a recruits into its school even if they don't meet NCAA minimum initial qualification standards. Their standards for students in the general student population are even lower than the NCAA. Same deal as Fresno and others have pulled for years. SMU and in fact most schools in Texas have at least some requirements that will not let these kids enroll as general students. I don't think even schools like UTEP, UH or even NTSU could get these kinds of kids Troy gets in. So this second factor would keep most Texas schools from using this exception even if they has low in-state tuition. I've never really noticed UTEP, UH or even NTSU really abusing this rule like other have so I assume there are standards of admission set by the State of Texas that prevent it from happening.

EastStang · Post by **EastStang** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:26 am

And that's why Fresno and San Jose State will never (despite their posturing) be admitted to the Mountain West Conference. I think some of the La. schools like LaLa or LaMo and Fla. Atl/Int'l. have similar admission rules for otherwise non-qualifiers. In CUSA the only schools mentioned as dummy schools are Southern Miss and Marshall which I think in reality is not the case.