Pachall Criminal Status ?

[Pony in SA]

I am happy they are going to try and get him some help given his history. However, there are still criminal charges he will have to deal with in addition to this rehab for the DUI unless those charges are dropped. Again, most DAs feel at least some obligation to address the DUI given public pressure from MADD, etc.

For the TCU posters who are making Patterson out to now be a saint, he has been working behind scenes to try and get charges for kid dropped or lessened via probation. My old law school roomate who is criminal attorney in Ft. Worth is very familiar with this situation. This was harder sell for Patterson given the kids history and that is why he did not get his way on this one and the Chancellor and the school came to its senses.

Also, if Pachall had more seriously hurt himself or someone else, or God forbid killed another driver while he was DUI, the view of this would be totally different. Patterson's decision to not suspend him earlier would look worse if the DUI caused more damage and his "suspending him 3 games wouldn't have mattered" position would look silly. Thankfully the DUI damage was not worse and no one was hurt, but the potential was there. If your family has ever been effected by DUI then you would know this.

Again, not by any means TCU hater and I applaud what they are now doing with this. However, to claim Patterson is some saint for this is laughable. He was lucky his decision to not suspend him first time did not have more severe consequences, and his first offical statement that his job was "to win games" and then first decision was to still have him on sidelines were not the actions of someone trying to do the right thing until cooler heads prevailed and told him he had to do other wise.

[StallionsModelT]

Pachall is a f*cktard. Hope he realizes he will end up behind bars for the rest of his life if he doesn't straighten up and get his life in order. He has NFL ability. Would be a shame to see it wasted.

[Junior]

Experimenting with drugs in college does not equate to a wasted future. Neither does a DUI. While they are both indicators of possibly wasting one's potential, this is by no means a foregone conclusion. I know there are people on here who agree with this unpopular stance, most likely because they have been party to one or both of these.

Calling this kid a waste at this point in premature and completely unfounded. Pachall is doing what not a lot of people do. He is seeking help. It doesn't matter if this was his choice or not, it's a step in the right direction.

The personal attacks seem to be going a little overboard over here, especially from a group that considers themselves superior to TCU. I hate them as much as anyone, but are we really to the point of calling out this kid any further?

It's Day 2, time to move on. Focus you efforts on our inept offense somehow pulling out another win at Tulane Saturday and the fact that most of us won't be able to see if due to our crappy TV contract.

[FroggieFever]

For the TCU posters who are making Patterson out to now be a saint, he has been working behind scenes to try and get charges for kid dropped or lessened via probation.

This is flat out wrong.

He was lucky his decision to not suspend him first time did not have more severe consequences, and his first offical statement that his job was "to win games" [...].

"I believe strongly," he said then, "that young people’s lives are more important than wins or losses." - Coach Gary Patterson

"For all of you who think it's about wins and losses, wrong." - Coach Gary Patterson

[Insane_Pony_Posse]

I have two friends that have had DUI's in the last year and both said it was "around $10 Grand" in court costs, legal fees, fines, ect...I doubt PawHaw has that kind of change. I suppose it would be an NCAA violation if Patterson, TCU, or a booster paid for PawHaw's legal fees and fines? If a TCU lawyer alum donated free legal advice under the guise of pro-bono work for the "poor" would that still be an NCAA violation? I've always wondered who was paying the legal fees for all the Longhorns arrested on their crime sprees down in Austin?

[Paladin]

Well at least he was not involved to anyone's knowledge in this activity:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/2 ... ef=college

[Digetydog]

The guy has made some serious mistakes, but I dare anyone to throw the first stone. How many people on this board can say that they never had a couple of drinks before driving home? Having defended DUI cases back in the day, I can tell you that they are extremely common.

The criminal case will take care of itself. He'll get a fine, probation and will probably be required to take a course. If he completes his probation, that will be that.

I don't like TCU, but do hope this young man gets his life together.

[peruna81]

This is the best outcome possible for this young man.

There is no more 'your'e special' treatment.

He has a great opportunity to get the help he needs, without distraction of the other things (football, school, media, etc) that are contributors by proxy to an out of control lifestyle.

For those that want to hose Patterson for making the contribution to a treatment center, just a thought...it is easy to sit comfortably back and rock throw, and question motives from the security of a sanctified seat...the problem is those seats are pretty darn rare.

For whatever reason, I applaud TCU for putting on the big boy pants, and contributing to a solution rather than exacerbating the situation by playing at penalties for a DUI and other issues. As for Patterson, similar kudos for putting $ to a solution (regardless of the PR moment). Don't like everything about him, but to borrow a Civil War quote from a young northern girl upon seeing Lee ride through her town:

"I wish he were ours".

[Pony in SA]

For the TCU posters who are making Patterson out to now be a saint, he has been working behind scenes to try and get charges for kid dropped or lessened via probation.

This is flat out wrong.

He was lucky his decision to not suspend him first time did not have more severe consequences, and his first offical statement that his job was "to win games" [...].

"I believe strongly," he said then, "that young people’s lives are more important than wins or losses." - Coach Gary Patterson

"For all of you who think it's about wins and losses, wrong." - Coach Gary Patterson

I don't post things just to post. It is not flat out wrong as I know at least 1 criminal atty. consulted in Fort Worth about the need for his services to help fix this situation.

And as pointed out before, his initial quote where he said his "job was to win games" was even shown by Fox a the beginning of the game right before it started and was read by the announcer. You can try and spin it, but his statement was as I said on other post word for word. He said it and several outlets reported it, even Fox. But I guess lets not let facts get in the way of things.

I am not a TCU hater, and I would be equally upset if Jones and SMU did the same thing. Issue is getting the kid help and I am glad that they are finally however it has come about. But I do think if the DUI was more serious and led to more severe injuries for him or for someone else, and Patterson and the university were on notice of the kids problems, then there would be a bigger story here and you and others may look at this differently. Thank God that did not happen.

[FroggieFever]

I don't post things just to post. It is not flat out wrong as I know at least 1 criminal atty. consulted in Fort Worth about the need for his services to help fix this situation.

And as pointed out before, his initial quote where he said his "job was to win games" was even shown by Fox a the beginning of the game right before it started and was read by the announcer. You can try and spin it, but his statement was as I said on other post word for word. He said it and several outlets reported it, even Fox. But I guess lets not let facts get in the way of things.

I am not a TCU hater, and I would be equally upset if Jones and SMU did the same thing. Issue is getting the kid help and I am glad that they are finally however it has come about. But I do think if the DUI was more serious and led to more severe injuries for him or for someone else, and Patterson and the university were on notice of the kids problems, then there would be a bigger story here and you and others may look at this differently. Thank God that did not happen.

SA, I was referring to your suggesting Patterson is/was working behind the scenes to lessen or commute Pachall's sentence, which is most certainly untrue.

With regards to the quote, you conveniently left off a few words:

"My job as a head coach is to win games, educate our kids and help them with their lives."

I know you're not a hater and I hope that you know I'm not trying to troll, either.

[Pony in SA]

I don't post things just to post. It is not flat out wrong as I know at least 1 criminal atty. consulted in Fort Worth about the need for his services to help fix this situation.

And as pointed out before, his initial quote where he said his "job was to win games" was even shown by Fox a the beginning of the game right before it started and was read by the announcer. You can try and spin it, but his statement was as I said on other post word for word. He said it and several outlets reported it, even Fox. But I guess lets not let facts get in the way of things.

I am not a TCU hater, and I would be equally upset if Jones and SMU did the same thing. Issue is getting the kid help and I am glad that they are finally however it has come about. But I do think if the DUI was more serious and led to more severe injuries for him or for someone else, and Patterson and the university were on notice of the kids problems, then there would be a bigger story here and you and others may look at this differently. Thank God that did not happen.

SA, I was referring to your suggesting Patterson is/was working behind the scenes to lessen or commute Pachall's sentence, which is most certainly untrue.

Ok, understand. I am just happy right things now being done to get the kid some help. Applaud what TCU is doing now to handle it, and think it will only serve them well going forward. Best is no serious injuries to him or others and hopefully he can work to straighten out whatever he may need to get back on track.

[FroggieFever]

Ok, understand. I am just happy right things now being done to get the kid some help. Applaud what TCU is doing now to handle it, and think it will only serve them well going forward. Best is no serious injuries to him or others and hopefully he can work to straighten out whatever he may need to get back on track.

Absolutely.

[lwjr]

I have two friends that have had DUI's in the last year and both said it was "around $10 Grand" in court costs, legal fees, fines, ect...I doubt PawHaw has that kind of change. I suppose it would be an NCAA violation if Patterson, TCU, or a booster paid for PawHaw's legal fees and fines? If a TCU lawyer alum donated free legal advice under the guise of pro-bono work for the "poor" would that still be an NCAA violation? I've always wondered who was paying the legal fees for all the Longhorns arrested on their crime sprees down in Austin?

Since Pachall is no longer enrolled with the school I wonder if that would exempt him from the NCAA hand out rules

[SMU_Alumni11]

DUI/DWIs: there is no excuse, nor should anyone on here try to justify with, remember some of us had. Shame on you if you got away and thank God you didnt kill anyone. This is an easy issue to fix, either dont drink and drive, or drink but dont drive. Not very hard. Taxis might be expensive but much cheaper than legal fees and parent's and other love ones' tears. He got away with something that could have been truly traumatic. I really hope when he gets out he straightens up, and dont take one sip of alcohol for a very long time.

[BigT3x]

DUI/DWIs: there is no excuse, nor should anyone on here try to justify with, remember some of us had. Shame on you if you got away and thank God you didnt kill anyone. This is an easy issue to fix, either dont drink and drive, or drink but dont drive. Not very hard. Taxis might be expensive but much cheaper than legal fees and parent's and other love ones' tears. He got away with something that could have been truly traumatic. I really hope when he gets out he straightens up, and dont take one sip of alcohol for a very long time.

Get off your high horse. It's tiresome.