Penn State

Topper · Post by **Topper** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 8:22 pm

Where are all of those media sob sisters who claimed that Penn State's sanctions were worse than the death penalty? Looks like they will win 4 in a row including victories against 3 Big Ten teams. There are two more patsies on their schedule and they could easily have a winning season. Lou Holtz was leading the pity party as I recall.

Mustangs35SMU · Post by **Mustangs35SMU** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:16 pm

Any sanctions against Penn State won't be felt for a while.

PoconoPony · Post by **PoconoPony** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:23 pm

Penn State historically has had a very weak non-conference schedule. They would always schedule 4 very low level schools for a small $$$ guarantee with games always played at State College. This scheduling guaranteed them 8 home games. When you look at the Big 10 historically the league has traditionally had very weak teams in the bottom half ( Indiana, Illinois, Minnesota, Purdue, Northwestern) competitive teams in the middle ( Iowa, PSU, MSU)with strong teams at the top ( OSU, Michigan, Wisconsin). As the schedule would turn out, PSU always got at least 3 of the very weak conference teams giving them 7 easy wins. This left them 5 tougher games and that varied season to season as to which of the traditionally tougher teams really had a decent team that year. Also, remember that the Big 10 has had a very unbalanced schedule in the past and you could actually have seasons where you might never face OSU, Wisconsin, Michigan. The new Big 10 with Nebraska now has a balanced conference schedule; however, you may not draw the other tough Big 10 schools in your other conference Big 10 schedule. Bottom line, is that there have been many years when Penn State only had 2 or 3 actually tough games.

This year they are winning more than expected; however, they had a very strong team talent wise when the scandal penalties were handed down. 10 kids did transfer, but only 2 were starters. A recent review of those kids that transferred revealed that the HB Redd who went of USC is the only kid even getting any playing time and the rest are riding the bench. Result is that they really did not lose that much talent or starters. Yes, they can win and be very respectable this year. The problem is whether or not they can sustain recruiting top talent with the sanctions and what the affect of the loss of 10 scholarships per year for 4 years will do to their talent pool and depth. Next season starts the demise when they lose some great seniors and the frosh class is reduced in scholarships and a number of top verbal recruits have recended and committed elsewhere and/or who have now re-opened their recruitments although remaining as verbals.

Topper · Post by **Topper** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:12 pm

Pocono, you have capsulized Penn State football's secret to success that UT has tried to emulate: Play the easiest non-conference schedule possible and play most of your games at home. And you are absolutely right to say that the next few years will be tougher than this one. I also agree that the Big 10 is very top heavy. I am probably wrong about this, but I think that PSU will still have more talent than some of the Big 10 bottom dwellers even with the scholarship losses.

SMU2007 · Post by **SMU2007** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:56 pm

penn state and joe paterno are a disgrace to college football, and to humanity. i can't imagine why anyone would support that program. I hope they lose every game, forever, and can't stand that they are playing this year.

FriscoChuck · Post by **FriscoChuck** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:35 am

I just got back from visiting relatives from PA. They all idolize Penn State, JoPa and the Nitney Lion band. While they all feel the child sex was wrong they still support the team as much as always. The sanctions will be nothing but a few down years where they cant watch them on TV for a bowl game, that's it.

alyssa · Post by **alyssa** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:22 am

Topper wrote:Where are all of those media sob sisters who claimed that Penn State's sanctions were worse than the death penalty? Looks like they will win 4 in a row including victories against 3 Big Ten teams. There are two more patsies on their schedule and they could easily have a winning season. Lou Holtz was leading the pity party as I recall.

Can't be close to the DP because they are playing a season. I think it's very disrespectful to SMU for program after program that gets penalized to compare how they are hurt worse than or nearly as badly as SMU.
I hate how the DP still defines SMU to far too many others.
I'd say more but..........

SMU2007 · Post by **SMU2007** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:25 pm

FriscoChuck wrote:I just got back from visiting relatives from PA. They all idolize Penn State, JoPa and the Nitney Lion band. While they all feel the child sex was wrong they still support the team as much as always. The sanctions will be nothing but a few down years where they cant watch them on TV for a bowl game, that's it.

I understand blind support for your school, but idolizing JoPa is really just disturbing.

PoconoPony · Post by **PoconoPony** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 6:52 pm

SMU2007 wrote:
FriscoChuck wrote:I just got back from visiting relatives from PA. They all idolize Penn State, JoPa and the Nitney Lion band. While they all feel the child sex was wrong they still support the team as much as always. The sanctions will be nothing but a few down years where they cant watch them on TV for a bowl game, that's it.
I understand blind support for your school, but idolizing JoPa is really just disturbing.

JoPa was really a very good person. He was actually a victim of this mess as he did everything expected of him in reporting this matter and placing it in the hands of those responsible which included: the President or PSU, the VP in charge of Campus Police and Administration and his AD. I cannot go into the entire historical sequence which I followed closely and the Freeh report which I have read. (Incidentally, I worked for Freeh for 10 years and know him reasonably well.)
JoPa had loyal supporters in the most influential places, but he was viewed by most PSU fans as too old and out of touch with regard to his offense with 2 coaches calling in plays. One coach called running plays and one called passing plays and they would compromise on every play while sitting together in the press box. His firing was the Board's quick way to fire him as football coach and had little to do with his roll in the chain of reporting in the scandal. The weak rubber stamp Board could finally overthrow JoPa's big time supporters. His only transgression was failure to demand explanations from the AD, VP and President as to whether or not they were doing their job. To him this scandal was not a football issue. The Board approved the foundation's access to all parts of the campus, the Board gave the foundation an office on campus, Spanier the President failed to advise the Board that Sandusky was under criminal investigation for 3 reported incidents in 1997 and 1998 at the time ( circa. 2000) they approved the foundation's access to the campus. I will quit there; however, the loss of institutional control was blatant and that rested with the President's actions and at other times his failure of action, a VP who did not report the matter to his own police department and later lied to criminal investigators and an AD who also lied to investigators and who was caught between his President, a legendary football coach and many huge $$$$$ boosters.

SMU2007 · Post by **SMU2007** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:17 pm

I stopped reading when you said he was a good person. A good person doesn't turn a blind eye to child rape in an attempt to preserve a football program. That's really all there is to it, and you can't possibly change my mind on that fact.

austinponie · Post by **austinponie** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:19 pm

My God, Penn State's been on national TV every week this season it seems.

DanFreibergerForHeisman · Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:54 am

When they started discussing coach of the year candidates in the fourth quarter of Baylor-Texas and one of the announcers (I think it was McDonough) mentioned Bill O'Brien it was just disgusting.

The media is turning them into a sympathy case within two months. Shameful.

It's sad they are even playing this year let alone being a "good story". Sometimes the NCAA just makes me sick.

RednBlue11 · Post by **RednBlue11** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:09 pm

PoconoPony wrote:
SMU2007 wrote:
FriscoChuck wrote:I just got back from visiting relatives from PA. They all idolize Penn State, JoPa and the Nitney Lion band. While they all feel the child sex was wrong they still support the team as much as always. The sanctions will be nothing but a few down years where they cant watch them on TV for a bowl game, that's it.
I understand blind support for your school, but idolizing JoPa is really just disturbing.
JoPa was really a very good person. He was actually a victim of this mess as he did everything expected of him in reporting this matter and placing it in the hands of those responsible which included:

You are f'ing insane, please distance yourself from this board as quickly as humanly possible

IHSV

Mustangs35SMU · Post by **Mustangs35SMU** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:24 pm

PoconoPony wrote:JoPa was really a very good person. He was actually a victim of this mess as he did everything expected of him in reporting this matter

Dear God.

SMU2007 · Post by **SMU2007** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:25 pm

Poor sandusky. He really was a great guy. I hope he gets back on his feet after this hard year he's had.

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