Stallion Was Right

[Treadway21]

No there were far more than 1 or 2 people on here saying these recruiting classes were solid. JasonB off the top of my head

That is what I meant. Lots supported him as a coach but it a few were ok or defended his recruiting.

[ftworthmustang]

All of this conversation reminds me...we haven't seen our friend Mexmustang in a while.

He resigned for personal reasons

[couch 'em]

All of this conversation reminds me...we haven't seen our friend Mexmustang in a while.

He resigned for personal reasons

he left for a better job opportunity per Beasley

[orguy]

I couldn't evaluate a Manning at quarterback, but I'm a marketing guy with great faith in quantitative analysis

I've found marketing people and most B school types are rather unskilled at just about anything "quantitative".

As to the topic of this thread; Stallion is correct around 90 percent of the time.

[ponyboy]

He's a pretty deeply insightful guy. He shows his rear end sometimes, but very well informed guy.

[SoCal_Pony]

Just a shame Jones didn't arrive (with the reputation he had when hired) after Larry Brown was on board to show him how to build a program

CP, really dislike that narrative of, "If only X occurred, maybe JJ would have done a better job recruiting and all would have been well in SMU land'

X can be many things. In your example, if only LB arrived earlier.

Few on this board despised JJ more than me, but for all my criticisms, I would never call him stupid. He knew full well what he was and wasn't doing. He didn't recruit because he didn't give a damn. Nothing was going to change him.

[ponyboy]

We're missing a very important fact here. JJ"s system is such that he never really recruited anywhere, preferring a passive system of mostly video evaluation. I'm not saying that's good and I"m not saying that's bad. But he didn't really quit recruiting -- recruits quit coming to him when it was discovered he didn't want to be here.

[Arkpony]

I say, from the results, it was definitely bad.

[SMU2007]

We're missing a very important fact here. JJ"s system is such that he never really recruited anywhere, preferring a passive system of mostly video evaluation. I'm not saying that's good and I"m not saying that's bad. But he didn't really quit recruiting -- recruits quit coming to him when it was discovered he didn't want to be here.

You've got to be sh*tting me.

[mrydel]

An excellent ruling based on the evidence your Honor.

[ponyboy]

We're missing a very important fact here. JJ"s system is such that he never really recruited anywhere, preferring a passive system of mostly video evaluation. I'm not saying that's good and I"m not saying that's bad. But he didn't really quit recruiting -- recruits quit coming to him when it was discovered he didn't want to be here.

You've got to be sh*tting me.

About the facts? It's been well known from day one that that was JJ's m.o., thus the videotapes jokes over the years. He never changed and when the stream died up after ASU, we were toast talent-wise.

[Lebanese4Life]

PB, the definition of recruiting is hitting the road and scouting players. Not sitting in your office and receiving film.

[ponyboy]

Agreed. JJ didn't recruit. Totally different method than any I've ever heard of. Not defending, not criticizing. But I will say this: The only way the method could possibly work is if you have a steady stream of interested athletes. That stream dried up with the ASU fiasco. And boy are we ever paying for it right now.

[Rebel10]

We're missing a very important fact here. JJ"s system is such that he never really recruited anywhere, preferring a passive system of mostly video evaluation. I'm not saying that's good and I"m not saying that's bad. But he didn't really quit recruiting -- recruits quit coming to him when it was discovered he didn't want to be here.

You've got to be sh*tting me.

About the facts? It's been well known from day one that that was JJ's m.o., thus the videotapes jokes over the years. He never changed and when the stream died up after ASU, we were toast talent-wise.

That is somewhat re-constructionist history. JJ lost his best recruiters in Klemm and Reinbold. Then he lost most of his best players when all the Bennett players graduated. Players never came to JJ (before or after the ASU mess) and that is what JJ thought would happen but it never did.

[ponyboy]

No, that's a good point. He did have a ground crew in those two. It's still never gotten out publicly, by the way, as to why Reinebold left. Interesting story.