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Postby SMU 86 » Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:00 am

I think Tuberville jumped ship because he knew what he had coming talent wise. Now Kingsbury is having deal with it while Tuberville is now at Cincinnati.
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Re: OT - Article on Kliff

Postby RGV Pony » Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:14 am

SMU 86 wrote:I think Tuberville jumped ship because he knew what he had coming talent wise. Now Kingsbury is having deal with it while Tuberville is now at Cincinnati.

Kind of like JJ tried to
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Re: OT - Article on Kliff

Postby 1983 Cotton Bowl » Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:15 am

I suppose its not helpful if your defensive coordinator turns out to be a drunk. . .and a vindictive drunk at that. Wow.

I actually hadn't heard about that until this article. Are those allegations (showing up drunk and then giving away signals after being fired) disputed?
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Re: OT - Article on Kliff

Postby Oldmins » Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:18 am

KK must love the word "sh..". Five times in the article he uses the word that has to be bleeped out. His knowledge of what can and can't be said in interviews doesn't amount to sh...
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Re: OT - Article on Kliff

Postby SMU 86 » Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:28 am

RGV Pony wrote:
SMU 86 wrote:I think Tuberville jumped ship because he knew what he had coming talent wise. Now Kingsbury is having deal with it while Tuberville is now at Cincinnati.

Kind of like JJ tried to

From what it looks like yes, but Tuberville was able to pull and off so that the heat fell on Kingsbury.
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Re: OT - Article on Kliff

Postby Digetydog » Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:31 am

Pony81 wrote:I think the lesson learned on KK is his inability to develop a quality staff. He just hasn't coached long enough to be around enough quality coaches he could bring with him.

That's his week link. Look at Mullin, Sumlin , Briles ect. When they were promoted to HC they had been to a number of places and met and seen quality coaches whom they could call and bring onto a staff.

That's going to be our HC big challenge - bring on a quality staff.


Exactly, Kingsbury seems like a very bright guy in his role as OC. But, the issues with the defense and his decision making (Mayfield) are troubling.

While I am not opposed to hiring a guy without HC experience, we need more than a brilliant OC. We need a brilliant OC, a brilliant DC, and a great staff to support both of them. To get that, we need a guy who has been around the block at a couple of different places. We need a guy who has coached with and against other good coaches. We need a guy who other good, young coaches think will succeed (allowing them to move up the ranks).

For that reason, I don't think a guy like Spavital (TAMU's OC) is the right guy for SMU.

Let's look at OSU's OC Tom Herman. Hermann has coached at Texas, Sam Houston State, Texas State, Rice, Iowa State, and Ohio State. While he was OC at Rice, they went to a bowl for the first time since 1954. While Urban Meyer is certainly important at OSU, Herman's offenses (especially the QB's) have thrived since under his watch. He is ready for a HC job.
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Re: OT - Article on Kliff

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Re: OT - Article on Kliff

Postby footballdad » Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:05 pm

Digetydog wrote:
Pony81 wrote:I think the lesson learned on KK is his inability to develop a quality staff. He just hasn't coached long enough to be around enough quality coaches he could bring with him.

That's his week link. Look at Mullin, Sumlin , Briles ect. When they were promoted to HC they had been to a number of places and met and seen quality coaches whom they could call and bring onto a staff.

That's going to be our HC big challenge - bring on a quality staff.


Exactly, Kingsbury seems like a very bright guy in his role as OC. But, the issues with the defense and his decision making (Mayfield) are troubling.

While I am not opposed to hiring a guy without HC experience, we need more than a brilliant OC. We need a brilliant, a brilliant DC, and a great staff to support both of them. To get that, we need a guy who has been around the block at a couple of different places. We need a guy who has coached with and against other good coaches. We need a guy who other good, young coaches think will succeed (allowing them to move up the ranks).

For that reason, I don't think a guy like Spavital (TAMU's OC) is the right guy for SMU.



Let's look at OSU's OC Tom Herman. Hermann has coached at Texas, Sam Houston State, Texas State, Rice, Iowa State, and Ohio State. While he was OC at Rice, they went to a bowl for the first time since 1954. While Urban Meyer is certainly important at OSU, Herman's offenses (especially the QB's) have thrived since under his watch. He is ready for a HC job.


Agree 100% on Herman and have been saying it all along. Prefer him over Morris because of his overall body of work and temperament.

Hopefully they really investigate and interview their top 3-4 candidates before just blindly going all in on one guy.
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