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Re: Roster Analysis - What Morris has to work with

Postby Rebel10 » Mon Dec 01, 2014 7:21 pm

Randy Rodgers ‏@rodgersrecruit 4m4 minutes ago

congratulations to SMU on a great hire in Chad Morris. bet you see SMU coaches in DFW high schools as soon as he gets staff hired.
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Re: Roster Analysis - What Morris has to work with

Postby Digetydog » Mon Dec 01, 2014 7:35 pm

Stars and offers don't mean squat very long. I can think of three transfers June grabbed that couldn't play a lick despite their many stars/offers. How many stars did Beasley, Margus, or even BLM have?

Next year, we are going to see a coach who builds his game plan around what his players can do - not what they can't. If our QB is Davis, we will run early and often. If it is Burcham/Severt/Kearns, less so. We could see Davis /Colbert playing WR/QB in Wildcat formations. Look for guys like Lagasse to end up in new positions.

Little Prime Time can play a bit, bet Morris uses him as a scat back.
Gaines will be hammering CBs on run plays and out jumping them on passing plays.
Mr Halverson might be effective on the Fly Sweep. If not, Lancaster is up.
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Re: Roster Analysis - What Morris has to work with

Postby sbsmith » Mon Dec 01, 2014 7:40 pm

Digetydog wrote: How many stars did Beasley, Margus, or even BLM have?




What did they win here again and how many stars did all of these 0-12 players have?
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Re: Roster Analysis - What Morris has to work with

Postby Digetydog » Mon Dec 01, 2014 7:41 pm

blackoutpony wrote:That list already exists on rivals. This one didn't. I think it's quite informative and that other fans of SMU, and not just their son, might like to see it. At the very least, it shows positions where you could do some trimming, as well as where we stand for schollies in the future, since we didn't graduate that many kids.

Stop being so butt hurt all the time.


The list was stupid because you refuse to understand scholarship limits and because it included walk-ons. Austin Kent was a walk on who left the team months ago.

At most, we will have 25 scholarships to give. With kids leaving the team voluntarily, there will be little need to cut guys who are willing to buy into what Morris is selling.

Assuming 5 want to leave, that leaves only 5 cuts. For the most part, they will be malcontents, druggies, and grade problems.
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Re: Roster Analysis - What Morris has to work with

Postby footballdad » Mon Dec 01, 2014 7:48 pm

SMU21TCU10 wrote:He has a lot of QB's taking up space that are not going to fit into his offense.

Colbert and Davis would be the only dual threats we have. Is Severt a runner?

It would be great for us if June, or some of the other coaches, got jobs elsewhere, and a lot of players/commits follow them.


Severt is literally a clone of Gilbert. Nearly identical size and similar athletic ability. Morris, being very, very familiar with Gilbert and his skills, should be able to make a quick evaluation of Severt to determine whether or not he warrants reps in his scheme.
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Re: Roster Analysis - What Morris has to work with

Postby ojaipony » Mon Dec 01, 2014 7:55 pm

I expect 4-5 wins next year with plenty of fireworks on offense but a dreadful defense that will not allow us to keep up with the rest of the schedule unfortunately.
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Re: Roster Analysis - What Morris has to work with

Postby footballdad » Mon Dec 01, 2014 7:59 pm

Digetydog wrote:
blackoutpony wrote:That list already exists on rivals. This one didn't. I think it's quite informative and that other fans of SMU, and not just their son, might like to see it. At the very least, it shows positions where you could do some trimming, as well as where we stand for schollies in the future, since we didn't graduate that many kids.

Stop being so butt hurt all the time.


The list was stupid because you refuse to understand scholarship limits and because it included walk-ons. Austin Kent was a walk on who left the team months ago.

At most, we will have 25 scholarships to give. With kids leaving the team voluntarily, there will be little need to cut guys who are willing to buy into what Morris is selling.

Assuming 5 want to leave, that leaves only 5 cuts. For the most part, they will be malcontents, druggies, and grade problems.


Exactly! For all those talking about nonsensical roster purging and 'cutting' players it's not going to happen. Hart had a meeting weeks ago, thanked the players for hanging in through the difficult times, and told them flat out that anyone who wanted to be a part of the team going forward would be welcomed back. He knows exactly who the malcontents, drug test failures, and grade problems are. As well as Hart has handled this, he has probably already been over the roster with Morris and assured him he would have his full compliment of 25 scholarships available based on the current makeup of the roster and those he already knows will not be invited back because of drug and grade issues.
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Re: Roster Analysis - What Morris has to work with

Postby Digetydog » Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:00 pm

sbsmith wrote:
Digetydog wrote: How many stars did Beasley, Margus, or even BLM have?




What did they win here again and how many stars did all of these 0-12 players have?


I remember Margus winning a Bowl game for us by making the other team's right tackle curl up in a fetal position. How many games did he win by blocking kicks?

Boise State is in the Top 25 again. While they got 2 4 stars last year, their team is full of 2-3 star players. Their starting QB had 1 offer.

The difference: Boise State runs a modern offense and knows how to maximize production from players. June did neither.
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Re: Roster Analysis - What Morris has to work with

Postby Rebel10 » Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:01 pm

Digetydog wrote:Stars and offers don't mean squat very long. I can think of three transfers June grabbed that couldn't play a lick despite their many stars/offers. How many stars did Beasley, Margus, or even BLM have?

Next year, we are going to see a coach who builds his game plan around what his players can do - not what they can't. If our QB is Davis, we will run early and often. If it is Burcham/Severt/Kearns, less so. We could see Davis /Colbert playing WR/QB in Wildcat formations. Look for guys like Lagasse to end up in new positions.

Little Prime Time can play a bit, bet Morris uses him as a scat back.
Gaines will be hammering CBs on run plays and out jumping them on passing plays.
Mr Halverson might be effective on the Fly Sweep. If not, Lancaster is up.


I beg to differ offers do mean something. I don't care how good of a coach you are or how good a system you have if you don't have enough talent to run it you will not succeed very often. As Nick Saban said that it does make a difference what system you run as long as you have the players. June proved that right with all the no offer players that he got.
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Re: Roster Analysis - What Morris has to work with

Postby StallionsModelT » Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:04 pm

footballdad wrote:
SMU21TCU10 wrote:He has a lot of QB's taking up space that are not going to fit into his offense.

Colbert and Davis would be the only dual threats we have. Is Severt a runner?

It would be great for us if June, or some of the other coaches, got jobs elsewhere, and a lot of players/commits follow them.


Severt is literally a clone of Gilbert. Nearly identical size and similar athletic ability. Morris, being very, very familiar with Gilbert and his skills, should be able to make a quick evaluation of Severt to determine whether or not he warrants reps in his scheme.


Severt had exactly zero offers except SMU out of high school.
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Re: Roster Analysis - What Morris has to work with

Postby Rebel10 » Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:08 pm

Digetydog wrote:
sbsmith wrote:
Digetydog wrote: How many stars did Beasley, Margus, or even BLM have?




What did they win here again and how many stars did all of these 0-12 players have?


I remember Margus winning a Bowl game for us by making the other team's right tackle curl up in a fetal position. How many games did he win by blocking kicks?

Boise State is in the Top 25 again. While they got 2 4 stars last year, their team is full of 2-3 star players. Their starting QB had 1 offer.

The difference: Boise State runs a modern offense and knows how to maximize production from players. June did neither.



Stop the foolishness. Boise is in a weak conference and got destroyed by my Ole Miss Rebels. By the way, The Ole Miss Rebels have 4 and 5 star recruits on their roster and players that have multiple BCS offers. Also if your theory is correct you should be able to name a bunch of teams other than Boise. Several teams that don't win run modern offense like Tulsa and many MAC teams etc. Recruiting diamonds in the rough is what got us in this mess in the first place.
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Re: Roster Analysis - What Morris has to work with

Postby Digetydog » Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:09 pm

Rebel10 wrote:
Digetydog wrote:Stars and offers don't mean squat very long. I can think of three transfers June grabbed that couldn't play a lick despite their many stars/offers. How many stars did Beasley, Margus, or even BLM have?

Next year, we are going to see a coach who builds his game plan around what his players can do - not what they can't. If our QB is Davis, we will run early and often. If it is Burcham/Severt/Kearns, less so. We could see Davis /Colbert playing WR/QB in Wildcat formations. Look for guys like Lagasse to end up in new positions.

Little Prime Time can play a bit, bet Morris uses him as a scat back.
Gaines will be hammering CBs on run plays and out jumping them on passing plays.
Mr Halverson might be effective on the Fly Sweep. If not, Lancaster is up.


I beg to differ offers do mean something. I don't care how good of a coach you are or how good a system you have if you don't have enough talent to run it you will not succeed very often. As Nick Saban said that it does make a difference what system you run as long as you have the players. June proved that right with all the no offer players that he got.


Next year's team won't have the talent to beat Bama, but it will have the talent to compete with UNT and most AAC teams. Heck. With a modern offense, this team could have beaten UNT, Uconn, USF, Tulsa, and Houston.

The bottom line: most of our roster will be back. It is simple math. Morris will deal with it like a Strong dealt with it at UT - over time.
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Re: Roster Analysis - What Morris has to work with

Postby Rebel10 » Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:13 pm

Bottom line is that June's teams stopped winning when the talent level went down. They were going to bowl games with Junes offense but once the talent level dropped we could have been running the best offensive system in the world and not won.
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Re: Roster Analysis - What Morris has to work with

Postby Digetydog » Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:14 pm

Rebel10 wrote:
Digetydog wrote:



What did they win here again and how many stars did all of these 0-12 players have?


I remember Margus winning a Bowl game for us by making the other team's right tackle curl up in a fetal position. How many games did he win by blocking kicks?

Boise State is in the Top 25 again. While they got 2 4 stars last year, their team is full of 2-3 star players. Their starting QB had 1 offer.

The difference: Boise State runs a modern offense and knows how to maximize production from players. June did neither.[/quote]


Stop the foolishness. Boise is in a weak conference and got destroyed by my Ole Miss. By the way, The Ole Miss Rebels have 4 and 5 star recruits on their roster and players that have multiple BCS offers. Also 9if your theory is correct you should be able to name a bunch of teams other than Boise. Several teams that don't win run modern offense like Tulsa and many MAC teams etc. Recruiting diamonds in the rough is what got us in this mess in the first place.[/quote]

Nobody is saying we could compete in the SEC next year. Luckily, we are in the AAC for a while. While he IPROVES the talent, we don't have to lose every game like this year.

Btw - if Morris finds 20-25 4-5 star recruits willing to come to SMU next year, I am for it. But, I won't hold my breath. More likely outcome: he adds 10-15 3-4 star players to our current commits.
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Re: Roster Analysis - What Morris has to work with

Postby footballdad » Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:15 pm

StallionsModelT wrote:
footballdad wrote:
SMU21TCU10 wrote:He has a lot of QB's taking up space that are not going to fit into his offense.

Colbert and Davis would be the only dual threats we have. Is Severt a runner?

It would be great for us if June, or some of the other coaches, got jobs elsewhere, and a lot of players/commits follow them.


Severt is literally a clone of Gilbert. Nearly identical size and similar athletic ability. Morris, being very, very familiar with Gilbert and his skills, should be able to make a quick evaluation of Severt to determine whether or not he warrants reps in his scheme.


Severt had exactly zero offers except SMU out of high school.


The question was whether Severt was a runner or not? Had nothing to do with stars or offers. 100% confident Morris will be able to make a quick & accurate evaluation of Severt, especially with his history with Gilbert. With his high school connections, he'll probably go one step further and call Severt's high school coach to get feedback and assess his leadership skills and mental makeup.

I think Severt at least makes the top group of 3 or 4 who can run the Morris scheme if called upon. Unfortunately there are 3 or 4 others on the roster who have absolutely no chance, so it'll be interesting to see how Morris handles it.
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