USC/UCLA to B1G

[Lefty]

We need to beat TCU and MD. That would open some eyes.

Yup. Yup. Yup.

Also, Dennis Dodd is reporting (twitter) that Oregon and Washington have been told the Big 10 is "standing pat."

[Nedward]

Notre Dame is staying Indy. That's talk for the morning shows everyday. People have already parked a brinks ,truck outside ND and they say no.

In a weird and and strange twist, ND actually prioritizes their academics like we tried to claim during the Pye years that obliterated our athletic program.

Again, super pumped this happened since it gives us a final chance to get into anything remotely resembling a p5 conference. This latest shift, once all the dominoes fall will probably be the last major shift in most of the posters on this board's lifetime. Myself included.

[Charleston Pony]

We need to beat TCU and MD. That would open some eyes.

Yup. Yup. Yup.

Also, Dennis Dodd is reporting (twitter) that Oregon and Washington have been told the Big 10 is "standing pat."

At least for now

[SoCal_Pony]

ΓÇ£Student-athletes have been and will remain the focal point of the Big Ten, ACC and PAC-12 ConferencesΓÇ¥ said Big Ten Commissioner Kevin Warren. ΓÇ£Today, through this alliance, we furthered our commitment to our student-athletes by prioritizing our academics and athletics value systems. We are creating opportunities for student-athletes to have elite competition and are taking the necessary steps to shape and stabilize the future of college athletics.ΓÇ¥

that quote was ~10 months ago

[Charleston Pony]

At some point, Notre Dame has to make the long overdue rational decision to join the Big 10, especially with USC now joining. The question becomes how large will the Big 10 and SEC eventually be? 18 schools? 24 schools? The Big 2 will have every powerhouse program wanting to join them because the rest will be all but eliminated from National Championship consideration.

[DallasMustang11]

At some point, Notre Dame has to make the long overdue rational decision to join the Big 10, especially with USC now joining. The question becomes how large will the Big 10 and SEC eventually be? 18 schools? 24 schools? The Big 2 will have every powerhouse program wanting to join them because the rest will be all but eliminated from National Championship consideration.

Not sure how accurate he is but Finebaum was saying on ESPN that SEC/BIG10 are looking to eventually get to 20 schools each.

[Dukie]

At some point, Notre Dame has to make the long overdue rational decision to join the Big 10, especially with USC now joining. The question becomes how large will the Big 10 and SEC eventually be? 18 schools? 24 schools? The Big 2 will have every powerhouse program wanting to join them because the rest will be all but eliminated from National Championship consideration.

Why is it rational for ND to join anywhere as a full member if they make more directly from NBC and they can make the playoffs when they have a good enough year (twice recently)? Sure, either factor could change, but thus far they’ve been entirely rational.

[The PonyGrad]

Isn't the ACC TV contract still years away from giving them real flexibility in expansion?

[Dukie]

Isn't the ACC TV contract still years away from giving them real flexibility in expansion?

The ACC GOR and TV contract are both through 2036. But the dollars secured there get more and more dwarfed by SEC and B1G money each year. We’re very near the tipping point where a Clemson can do better leaving all the GOR money behind and still come out ahead.

[rodrod5]

Isn't the ACC TV contract still years away from giving them real flexibility in expansion?

The ACC GOR and TV contract are both through 2036. But the dollars secured there get more and more dwarfed by SEC and B1G money each year. We’re very near the tipping point where a Clemson can do better leaving all the GOR money behind and still come out ahead.

but not when they actually leave the MEDIA RIGHTS behind....and thus have no value to any new conference

that is what the GOR is about.....you can leave any time you would like and pay the exit fees (in separate contracts from the GOR that has no exit fees), but you will not be taking your media rights with you

[Dukie]

Isn't the ACC TV contract still years away from giving them real flexibility in expansion?

The ACC GOR and TV contract are both through 2036. But the dollars secured there get more and more dwarfed by SEC and B1G money each year. We’re very near the tipping point where a Clemson can do better leaving all the GOR money behind and still come out ahead.

but not when they actually leave the MEDIA RIGHTS behind....and thus have no value to any new conference

that is what the GOR is about.....you can leave any time you would like and pay the exit fees (in separate contracts from the GOR that has no exit fees), but you will not be taking your media rights with you

The per-school media rights in the ACC are right now falling below half of the per-school media rights of the new P2. Clemson can leave all that behind, get paid by the SEC for some ΓÇ£non-mediaΓÇ¥ benefits, and Clemson and the SEC come out ahead. That’s before you even get to whether Texas and OU can shoot holes in the whole GOR concept between now and 2025, and also whether the ACC falls apart (or at least faces a severe renegotiation of its Clemson-less media contracts).

[rodrod5]

The per-school media rights in the ACC are right now falling below half of the per-school media rights of the new P2. Clemson can leave all that behind, get paid by the SEC for some ΓÇ£non-mediaΓÇ¥ benefits, and Clemson and the SEC come out ahead. That’s before you even get to whether Texas and OU can shoot holes in the whole GOR concept between now and 2025, and also whether the ACC falls apart (or at least faces a severe renegotiation of its Clemson-less media contracts).

1. there is still a $50 million dollar exit fee from the ACC that Maryland paid $36 million of after being in the position to claim that they were against the exit fee being raised from $25 million to $50 million and that it was done specifically because the ACC knew more things were in the works

so Clemson is looking at paying at least $36 million in exit fees to the ACC no matter what happens with the GOR

2. I am not sure why on earth members of the SEC would want to give up money to pay Clemson to come be a part of the conference when Clemson does not bring their media rights with them....just paying them some cash equal to their current AAC payout (about $36 million a year) plus breaking even on the exit fees even if spread over 9 years (so another $4 million per year for a total of $40 million per year over the next nine years just to have Clemson hang around and break even while still having 5 years left on the GOR) makes about zero sense for the SEC at all

3. news flash.....if Texas and OU were going after the GOR they would have already been in court for the last year, but they have not been.....because they know it is a major issue and it is also a major issue for ESPN and their almost certain interference in the whole deal.....there are very specific issues that are present for UT and OU as well

4. your first point was that the SEC could just pay Clemson to hang around and not bring their media rights....then you try and make the point that "wait until the ACC loses Clemson and their media rights"......which of course makes no sense if you are trying to also argue that it would make any sense for the SEC to just pay Clemson to come over without their media rights

5. ESPN owns 100% of the ACC and 100% of the SEC.....there are major legal and financial issues for ESPN if it is proven that ESPN enticed Clemson to move for their financial gain or the financial gain of ESPN or both

not to mention that ESPN is very happy owning 100% of the content of the ACC for a very very low price and there is ZERO need for them to start tossing money at Clemson (or anyone else in the ACC) to move them to the SEC when they already own the rights to 100% of the ACC and not to mention the above legal and financial issues if ESPN entices that to happen

[EastStang]

That also means ACC likely won’t expand. Why add another mouth to feed unless it raises TV fees. Now if they start an ACC network (I think they still have deal with Raycom), then adding teams that carry a must carry cable terms, then a school in such a market might be worth adding.

[SMU Pom Mom]

to me, the question is do (AZ, AZ St, Colorado & Utah) value the remaining PAC12 over the B12 and would they if/when WA & Oregon bail.

If those 4 schools bolt to the B12 it becomes very crazy. I’m thinking they will because the Western US does not have quality schools to replace USC/UCLA/WA/OregonΓǪ.the 4 B12 add-ons when UT/OU left was manageableΓǪnot really the case with the PAC12.

also wondering how Minnesota, Purdue & Northwestern are feeling right now.

For the record, we are officially "delighted" per Morty. I see some outsiders saying the B1G will boot us but that won't ever happen. To sum up what I have been reading, we will probably go to 20 or even 24. We are good with the SoCal schools. We would welcome ND and maybe UNC/Duke. We don't want the NorCal or PNW schools. The alliance got broken because USC/UCLA approached the conference, not the other way around.

SMU and TCU should kiss and make up and make a joint offer. Dallas is the second biggest market not in the B1G.

[SoCal_Pony]

also wondering how Minnesota, Purdue & Northwestern are feeling right now.

For the record, we are officially "delighted" per Morty. I see some outsiders saying the B1G will boot us but that won't ever happen. To sum up what I have been reading, we will probably go to 20 or even 24. We are good with the SoCal schools. We would welcome ND and maybe UNC/Duke. We don't want the NorCal or PNW schools. The alliance got broken because USC/UCLA approached the conference, not the other way around.

SMU and TCU should kiss and make up and make a joint offer. Dallas is the second biggest market not in the B1G.

For your sake, I hope that is true. but your B10 commissioner doesn't exactly exude confidence when he enters an alliance with the PAC and ACC just 10 months ago to 'stabilize the future of college athletics'.

Pure speculation on my part, I know, but the B10 has more academic integrity than the SEC. At some point, the SEC opens the pandora box by disposing of Vandy, maybe MS St when adding ACC schools. B10 'reluctantly' follows suit and removes dead weight.

I do believe this is 100% money driven and for that fact alone, I can't imagine the B10 would keep 2 of (Indiana, Minnesota, Northwestern or Purdue) while excluding Oregon and Washington.

Oregon is most definitely a Top 20 football program. Washington checks boxes (travel partner for west coast schools + better FB program than the B10 schools I listed above).

Crazy times.