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Postby Big10Ponyfan » Thu May 04, 2006 3:39 pm

Suspension for one basketball season. He doesn't make contact with anyone.

Happy now.

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Postby SMU Football Blog » Thu May 04, 2006 3:41 pm

jtstang wrote:You still have not taken a position on what SMU should do to Max Williams, FW farmer.


If MW gave money for an improper purpose and knew that the money was going for an improper purpose, then he deserves punishment. If MW thought the money was going towards a proper purpose, then he gets off scott free.
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Postby Hoop Fan » Thu May 04, 2006 3:43 pm

Big10Ponyfan wrote:Suspension for one basketball season. He doesn't make contact with anyone.

Happy now.

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thats a joke of a punishment. Besides you mean no contact with anyone besides his grandson right? That way he can still monitor Doherty's coaching.
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Postby SMU Football Blog » Thu May 04, 2006 3:44 pm

Hoop Fan wrote:darnit, the dreaded too much practice time thing again. Watching game film on the bus? Jimmy needed to personally tutor the players on bus trips.


To be fair, Bennett's coaches ride their players' asses about grades. The impression I have is Tubbs' left it up to the A-LEC staff, which was a terrible, terrible mistake.
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Postby Hoop Fan » Thu May 04, 2006 3:48 pm

once again, way to go SMU. Not enough support in place to be big time and then fire the coach over it.
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Postby friarwolf » Thu May 04, 2006 3:48 pm

Max is at worst a bad guy and at best a moron. Whether he gets banned is really inconsequential because he has already suffered a worse fate. He has become: pick any and all that you like - a pariah, a joke, a non-entity, a scumbag, someone that even if he gives big money is never going to "feel the love" from his beloved university, a sad pathetic man (nod to jt).........
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Postby SMU Football Blog » Thu May 04, 2006 3:54 pm

Hoop Fan wrote:once again, way to go SMU. Not enough support in place to be big time and then fire the coach over it.


Well, two points. First, the support is there, said support I am told is just incompetent support, which is really no support at all. It is like a lot of things at SMU-the resources are there, they are just applied terribly and very few notice and very few seem to care.

Second, Bennett learned that lesson. I have a hard time believing he didn't clue Tubbs in. And even if he didn't, losing Hopkins for the fall should have served as a wakeup call.
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Postby Hoop Fan » Thu May 04, 2006 3:55 pm

friarwolf wrote:Max is at worst a bad guy and at best a moron. Whether he gets banned is really inconsequential because he has already suffered a worse fate. He has become: pick any and all that you like - a pariah, a joke, a non-entity, a scumbag, someone that even if he gives big money is never going to "feel the love" from his beloved university, a sad pathetic man (nod to jt).........


we agree on that, but SMU should hold him to the same standard as tubbs, whatever that is. Banning may be appropriate. I honestly don't know if SMU can ban him, but I do know that Matt ought to pack his bags and move on. Thats the only thing to do. Just like you guys said about Tubbs, maybe life aint fair and neither is college athletics. See ya Matt. See ya Max.
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Postby jtstang » Thu May 04, 2006 3:55 pm

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jtstang wrote:You still have not taken a position on what SMU should do to Max Williams, FW farmer.


If MW gave money for an improper purpose and knew that the money was going for an improper purpose, then he deserves punishment. If MW thought the money was going towards a proper purpose, then he gets off scott free.

If he thought he was giving money for a proper purpose, why did he tell the DMN he gave money to Tubbs and it was a violation by Tubbs? I mean, money is fungible, so one man's violation with money is another's. If he thought he was giving money for a propoer purpose, why bring it up at all?
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Postby MustangIcon » Thu May 04, 2006 3:56 pm

Hoop, do you take responsibility for anything? Or are you one of these people who push blame on anyone and everyone possible? Tubbs was the head basketball coach. His life was SMU basketball. He has to be responsible for things. Don't just say "once again, way to go SMU. Not enough support in place to be big time and then fire the coach over it." Yes, I would like for us to have great tutors and great academic support for the players but the coaching staff needs to be up to date on these matters and yes it falls on the feet of the head coach.
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Postby SMU Football Blog » Thu May 04, 2006 3:57 pm

JT, I don't follow you.

Edit: Meaning, I don't understand what you are trying to say.
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Postby MustangIcon » Thu May 04, 2006 3:59 pm

Matt will have to earn his spot on the team. Doherty won't give the kid a free pass just because. Yes life isn't fair, but I don't envision scholarships getting pulled to make 2 ponyfan posters happy (which you wouldn't be. you would still [deleted].)
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Postby SMU Football Blog » Thu May 04, 2006 4:00 pm

We'll all still [deleted]. It is what we do.
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Postby jtstang » Thu May 04, 2006 4:01 pm

SMU Football Blog wrote:JT, I don't follow you.

Edit: Meaning, I don't understand what you are trying to say.

Well that's not hard to do these days. My mind is easily frazzled, which probably explains a lot to everyone out there.

Okay, if you do something that you and the coach think is legit at the time, and later you discover it was a violation, do you (1) turn the coach in for the violation that you helped create and get him fired; (2) keep your mouth shut and stop doing it; or (3) I can't think of anything else, whatever.

It seems to me that (1) is the wrong choice if you truly have no agenda.

Clearer?
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Postby friarwolf » Thu May 04, 2006 4:03 pm

As I posted earlier, I don't think Doherty is going to give Matt W a free ride. Matt is going to have to earn his scholarship and I don't think Max is going to be able to run interference for his grandson. Matt for maybe the first time in his life is going to have to earn something on his own. We'll see if he is up to it or if he will quietly slip away claiming the ankle never healed properly. I for one hope he steps up and proves he can play at this level. God knows we need a 3pt shooter............
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