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by StallionsModelT » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:41 pm
He is old, uncharasmatic, and left Miami in shambles. Larry Coker should not be under consideration IMO.
Back off Warchild seriously.
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by J.T.supporta » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:41 pm
Hoop Fan wrote:Dutch wrote:Hoop Fan wrote:Coker would be a pathetic hire for SMU at this point. Rice and Tulsa didnt want him last year, why would we? And you cannot tell me we waited all this time to hire Larry Freakin Coker from the unemployment line. ridiculous. Turner Gill would be 10 times the better hire, as would several other guys including Barnett. Please tell me this is not true.
ENOUGH ALREADY WITH TURNER GILL.
tough crap. We should be throwing big money at Gill before we hire an old retread like Larry Coker.
Gills not leaving Buffalo, so enough
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by BrianTinBigD » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:42 pm
SMU Football Blog wrote:SmooBoy wrote:An .800 winning percentage (60-15) in college head coaching. If this does not constitute a WOW, what would?
Some would call this a trend: 2001 Miami 12-0 7-0 1st W Rose Bowl †1 1 2002 Miami 12-1 7-0 1st L Fiesta Bowl †2 2 2003 Miami 11-2 6-1 1st W Orange Bowl †5 5 Miami: 35-3 20-1 Miami Hurricanes (Atlantic Coast Conference) (2004 – 2006) 2004 Miami 9-3 5-3 W Peach Bowl 11 11 2005 Miami 9-3 6-2 L Peach Bowl 18 17 2006 Miami 7-6 3-5 W MPC Computers Bowl
A better look at the situation would also show that Miami actually had a much tougher time of things once they left the Big Waste and moved to the ACC. However, Coker was 3-0 against Florida and 5-2 against Florida State. Too many quality games in the ACC compared to the cream puff schedule they had of beating Va Tech for the Big East title every year.
Hold on. I think I am making a case for this guy. My bad. Coker sucks and he killed the Miami program. It will never be the same and is on a slippery slope on it's way to becoming Vandy.
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by J.T.supporta » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:42 pm
StallionsModelT wrote:He is old, uncharasmatic, and left Miami in shambles. Larry Coker should not be under consideration IMO.
well who out there is not old, charasmatic and didnt leave a program in shambles...???
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by Texas Red » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:43 pm
Who is the best target that SMU can give a raise? I do not see that Coker is a current coach on this list?
# Coach Name School Age Conf. Compensation Contract
1
Charlie Weis
Notre Dame
51
Ind.
$4,000,000
2
2
Bob Stoops
Oklahoma
47
Big 12
$3,620,000
3
Nick Saban
Alabama
56
SEC
$3,503,000
4
Urban Meyer
Florida
43
SEC
$3,384,000
5
Kirk Ferentz
Iowa
52
Big 10
$3,030,000
6
Bobby Petrino Arkansas 46 SEC $2,850,000
7
Pete Carroll
USC
56
Pac 10
$2,795,000
2
8
Mack Brown
Texas 56 Big 12 $2,751,000
9
Rich Rodriguez
Michigan
44
ACC
$2,750,000
1
10
Tommy Tuberville
Auburn
53
SEC
$2,625,000
11
Jim Tressel
Ohio St.
55
Big 10
$2,367,000
12
Philip Fulmer
Tennessee
57
SEC
$2,050,000
13 Mark Richt
Georgia
47
SEC
$2,025,000
14
Frank Beamer
Virginia Tech
61
ACC
$2,008,000
15
Butch Davis N. Carolina 56 ACC $1.910,000
16
Al Groh
Virginia
63
ACC
$1,875,000
17
Les Miles LSU 54 SEC $1,816,000
18
Jeff Tedford
California
46
Pac 10
$1,805,000
19
Mike Sherman Texas A&M 53 Big 12 $1,800,000 1
20
Art Briles
Baylor
52
Big 12
$1,800,000
1
21
Steve Spurrier
South Carolina
62
SEC
$1,773,000
22
Joe Tiller
Purdue
65
Big 10
$1,764,000
23 Ralph Friedgen
Maryland
60
ACC
$1,750,000
24 Tommy Bowden
Clemson
53
ACC
$1,750,000
25 Greg Schiano
Rutgers
41
Big East
$1,734,000
26 Houston Nutt
Ole Miss
50
SEC
$1,700,000
1
27 Bobby Bowden
Florida St.
78
ACC
$1,696,000
28 Mike Leach
Texas Tech
46
Big 12
$1,662,000
29 Paul Johnson
Georgia Tech
50
ACC
$1,600,000
1
30 Bo Pelini Nebraska 40 Big 12 $1,600,000 1
31 Mark Mangino
Kansas
51
Big 12
$1,524,000
32 Joe Paterno Penn St. 81 Big 10 $1,500,000 3
33 Lloyd Carr
Michigan
62
Big 10
$1,483,000
34 Ty Willingham Washington 54 Pac 10 $1,470,000
35 Steve Kragthorpe Louisville 41 Big East $1,420,000
36 Bret Bielema
Wisconsin
37
Big 10
$1,395,000
37 Gary Pinkel
Missouri
55
Big 12
$1,320,000
38 Dennis Erickson
Arizona St.
60
Pac 10
$1,275,000
39 Ron Zook
Illinois
53
Big 10
$1,250,000
40 Pat Hill
Fresno St.
56
WAC
$1,230,000
41 Gary Patterson
TCU
47
MWC
$1,219,000
2
42 Mark Dantonio
Michigan St.
51
Big 10
$1,150,000
43 Todd Graham
Tulsa
42
CUSA
$1,100,000
1
44 Tom O'Brien
NC State
59
ACC
$1,100,000
45 George O'Leary
UCF
61
CUSA
$1,086,000
46 Rich Brooks
Kentucky
66
SEC
$1,056,000
47 Mike Bellotti
Oregon
57
Pac 10
$1,055,000
3
48 Greg Robinson
Syracuse
53
Big East
$1,054,000
2
49 Gene Chizik Iowa St. 44 Big 12 $1,025,000
50 Mike Stoops
Arizona
46
Pac 10
$1,025,000
51 Jim Grobe
Wake Forest
55
ACC
$1,021,000
2
52 Jim Leavitt
South Florida
51
Big East
$1,000,000
53 Randy Shannon Miami 40 ACC $1,000,000 2
54 Jeff Jagodzinski Boston College 44 ACC $1,000,000 1
55 Tim Brewster Minnesota 46 Big 10 $1,000,000
56 B. Mendenhall
BYU
40
MWC
$1,000,000
2
57 Paul Wulff Washington St. 40 Pac 10 $1,000,000 1
58 Sylvester Croom
Miss. St.
53
SEC
$975,000
59 Mike Gundy
Oklahoma St.
40
Big 12
$950,000
60 Dan Hawkins
Colorado
47
Big 12
$936,000
61 Tommy West
Memphis
53
CUSA
$931,000
62 Randy Edsall
Connecticut
50
Big East
$920,000
63 Mike Riley
Oregon St.
55
Pac 10
$885,000
3
64 Chris Peterson
Boise St.
43
WAC
$881,000
65 Brian Kelly
Cincinnati
46
Big East
$835,000
66 June Jones
Hawaii
54
WAC
$800,000
67 Larry Fedora Southern Miss 45 CUSA $800,000 1
68 Steve Fairchild Colorado State 49 MWC $800,000 1
69 Ron Prince
Kansas St.
38
Big 12
$755,000
70 Pat Fitzgerald
Northwestern
33
Big 10
$750,000
2
71 Bobby Johnson
Vanderbilt
57
SEC
$750,000
2
72 Jim Harbaugh Stanford 44 Pac 10 $750,000 2
73 Chuck Long
San Diego St.
44
MWC
$717,000
74 Dave Wannstedt
Pitt
55
Big East
$713,000
2
75 Kyle Whittingham
Utah
48
MWC
$678,000
76 Stan Brock
Army
48
Ind.
$650,000
2
77 Bob Toledo Tulane 60 CUSA $600,000 2
78 Troy Calhoun Air Force 40 MWC $572,000 2
79 Skip Holtz
East Carolina
43
CUSA
$560,000
80 Joe Glenn
Wyoming
58
MWC
$551,000
81 Mark Snyder Marshall 41 CUSA $470,000
82 Mike Price
UTEP
61
CUSA
$460,000
83 [deleted] Tomey San Jose St. 69 WAC $451,000 3
84 Rocky Long
New Mexico
57
MWC
$440,000
85 Mike Sanford
UNLV
52
MWC
$439,000
86 David Bailiff Rice 48 CUSA $400,000 2
87 Bill Lynch Indiana 52 Big 10 $393,000
88 Mario Cristobal Fla. Int'l. 38 Sun Belt $381,000
89 Chris Ault
Nevada
61
WAC
$368,000
90 Derek Dooley La. Tech. 39 WAC $350,000
91 Hal Mumme
N. Mexico St.
55
WAC
$349,000
92 H. Schnellenberger
Florida Atlantic
73
SunBelt
$331,000
93 Tom Amstutz
Toledo
52
MAC
$313,000
94 Al Golden
Temple
38
Ind.
$300,000
2
95 Neil Callaway
UAB
52
CUSA
$300,000
1
96 Larry Blakeney
Troy St.
60
SunBelt
$288,000
97 Rick Stockstill
Middle Tenn.
50
SunBelt
$283,000
98 Frank Solich
Ohio
63
MAC
$270,000
99 Bill Cubit
W. Michigan
54
SEC
$266,000
100 Butch Jones C. Michigan
38 MAC $265,000
101 Todd Dodge N. Texas 44 SunBelt $261,000
102 Brent Guy
Utah St.
46
WAC
$250,000
103 JD Brookhart
Akron
41
MAC
$244,000
3
104 Robb Akey Idaho 40 Pac 10 $240,000
105 Charlie Weatherbie La. Monroe 52 SunBelt $205,000
106 Ricky Bustle
La. Lafayette
45
SunBelt
$196,000
107 Jeff Genyk
E. Michigan
47
MAC
$196,000
108 Turner Gill
Buffalo
45
MAC
$191,000
109 Gregg Brandon Bowling Green 51 MAC $184,000
110 David Elson W. Kentucky 36 Ind. $180,000 3
111 Steve Roberts
Arkansas St.
43
SunBelt
$171,000
112 Brady Hoke
Ball St.
49
MAC
$170,000
113 Doug Martin
Kent St.
44
MAC
$170,000
114 Shane Montgomery
Miami, Ohio
40
MAC
$144,000
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by Hoop Fan » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:43 pm
J.T.supporta wrote:Hoop Fan wrote:Dutch wrote:Hoop Fan wrote:Coker would be a pathetic hire for SMU at this point. Rice and Tulsa didnt want him last year, why would we? And you cannot tell me we waited all this time to hire Larry Freakin Coker from the unemployment line. ridiculous. Turner Gill would be 10 times the better hire, as would several other guys including Barnett. Please tell me this is not true.
ENOUGH ALREADY WITH TURNER GILL.
tough crap. We should be throwing big money at Gill before we hire an old retread like Larry Coker.
Gills not leaving Buffalo, so enough
whatever, everybody has a price. Better offer Gill $2 mil per year before you hire Coker and ruin this program beyond repair if its not already there.
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by J.T.supporta » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:43 pm
BrianTinBigD wrote:SMU Football Blog wrote:SmooBoy wrote:An .800 winning percentage (60-15) in college head coaching. If this does not constitute a WOW, what would?
Some would call this a trend: 2001 Miami 12-0 7-0 1st W Rose Bowl †1 1 2002 Miami 12-1 7-0 1st L Fiesta Bowl †2 2 2003 Miami 11-2 6-1 1st W Orange Bowl †5 5 Miami: 35-3 20-1 Miami Hurricanes (Atlantic Coast Conference) (2004 – 2006) 2004 Miami 9-3 5-3 W Peach Bowl 11 11 2005 Miami 9-3 6-2 L Peach Bowl 18 17 2006 Miami 7-6 3-5 W MPC Computers Bowl
A better look at the situation would also show that Miami actually had a much tougher time of things once they left the Big Waste and moved to the ACC. However, Coker was 3-0 against Florida and 5-2 against Florida State. Too many quality games in the ACC compared to the cream puff schedule they had of beating Va Tech for the Big East title every year. Hold on. I think I am making a case for this guy. My bad. Coker sucks and he killed the Miami program. It will never be the same and is on a slippery slope on it's way to becoming Vandy.
if you look at it like that, you can just turn a blind eye and say the ACC was to blame for the U's downfall...thats what im kind of doing...
but i still belieave LC is a great coach
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by J.T.supporta » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:44 pm
Texas Red wrote:Who is the best target that SMU can give a raise? I do not see that Coker is a current coach on this list?
# Coach Name School Age Conf. Compensation Contract 1 Charlie Weis Notre Dame 51 Ind. $4,000,000 2 2 Bob Stoops Oklahoma 47 Big 12 $3,620,000 3 Nick Saban Alabama 56 SEC $3,503,000 4 Urban Meyer Florida 43 SEC $3,384,000 5 Kirk Ferentz Iowa 52 Big 10 $3,030,000 6 Bobby Petrino Arkansas 46 SEC $2,850,000 7 Pete Carroll USC 56 Pac 10 $2,795,000 2 8 Mack Brown Texas 56 Big 12 $2,751,000 9 Rich Rodriguez Michigan 44 ACC $2,750,000 1 10 Tommy Tuberville Auburn 53 SEC $2,625,000 11 Jim Tressel Ohio St. 55 Big 10 $2,367,000 12 Philip Fulmer Tennessee 57 SEC $2,050,000 13 Mark Richt Georgia 47 SEC $2,025,000 14 Frank Beamer Virginia Tech 61 ACC $2,008,000 15 Butch Davis N. Carolina 56 ACC $1.910,000 16 Al Groh Virginia 63 ACC $1,875,000 17 Les Miles LSU 54 SEC $1,816,000 18 Jeff Tedford California 46 Pac 10 $1,805,000 19 Mike Sherman Texas A&M 53 Big 12 $1,800,000 1 20 Art Briles Baylor 52 Big 12 $1,800,000 1 21 Steve Spurrier South Carolina 62 SEC $1,773,000 22 Joe Tiller Purdue 65 Big 10 $1,764,000 23 Ralph Friedgen Maryland 60 ACC $1,750,000 24 Tommy Bowden Clemson 53 ACC $1,750,000 25 Greg Schiano Rutgers 41 Big East $1,734,000 26 Houston Nutt Ole Miss 50 SEC $1,700,000 1 27 Bobby Bowden Florida St. 78 ACC $1,696,000 28 Mike Leach Texas Tech 46 Big 12 $1,662,000 29 Paul Johnson Georgia Tech 50 ACC $1,600,000 1 30 Bo Pelini Nebraska 40 Big 12 $1,600,000 1 31 Mark Mangino Kansas 51 Big 12 $1,524,000 32 Joe Paterno Penn St. 81 Big 10 $1,500,000 3 33 Lloyd Carr Michigan 62 Big 10 $1,483,000 34 Ty Willingham Washington 54 Pac 10 $1,470,000 35 Steve Kragthorpe Louisville 41 Big East $1,420,000 36 Bret Bielema Wisconsin 37 Big 10 $1,395,000 37 Gary Pinkel Missouri 55 Big 12 $1,320,000 38 Dennis Erickson Arizona St. 60 Pac 10 $1,275,000 39 Ron Zook Illinois 53 Big 10 $1,250,000 40 Pat Hill Fresno St. 56 WAC $1,230,000 41 Gary Patterson TCU 47 MWC $1,219,000 2 42 Mark Dantonio Michigan St. 51 Big 10 $1,150,000 43 Todd Graham Tulsa 42 CUSA $1,100,000 1 44 Tom O'Brien NC State 59 ACC $1,100,000 45 George O'Leary UCF 61 CUSA $1,086,000 46 Rich Brooks Kentucky 66 SEC $1,056,000 47 Mike Bellotti Oregon 57 Pac 10 $1,055,000 3 48 Greg Robinson Syracuse 53 Big East $1,054,000 2 49 Gene Chizik Iowa St. 44 Big 12 $1,025,000 50 Mike Stoops Arizona 46 Pac 10 $1,025,000 51 Jim Grobe Wake Forest 55 ACC $1,021,000 2 52 Jim Leavitt South Florida 51 Big East $1,000,000 53 Randy Shannon Miami 40 ACC $1,000,000 2 54 Jeff Jagodzinski Boston College 44 ACC $1,000,000 1 55 Tim Brewster Minnesota 46 Big 10 $1,000,000 56 B. Mendenhall BYU 40 MWC $1,000,000 2 57 Paul Wulff Washington St. 40 Pac 10 $1,000,000 1 58 Sylvester Croom Miss. St. 53 SEC $975,000 59 Mike Gundy Oklahoma St. 40 Big 12 $950,000 60 Dan Hawkins Colorado 47 Big 12 $936,000 61 Tommy West Memphis 53 CUSA $931,000 62 Randy Edsall Connecticut 50 Big East $920,000 63 Mike Riley Oregon St. 55 Pac 10 $885,000 3 64 Chris Peterson Boise St. 43 WAC $881,000 65 Brian Kelly Cincinnati 46 Big East $835,000 66 June Jones Hawaii 54 WAC $800,000 67 Larry Fedora Southern Miss 45 CUSA $800,000 1 68 Steve Fairchild Colorado State 49 MWC $800,000 1 69 Ron Prince Kansas St. 38 Big 12 $755,000 70 Pat Fitzgerald Northwestern 33 Big 10 $750,000 2 71 Bobby Johnson Vanderbilt 57 SEC $750,000 2 72 Jim Harbaugh Stanford 44 Pac 10 $750,000 2 73 Chuck Long San Diego St. 44 MWC $717,000 74 Dave Wannstedt Pitt 55 Big East $713,000 2 75 Kyle Whittingham Utah 48 MWC $678,000 76 Stan Brock Army 48 Ind. $650,000 2 77 Bob Toledo Tulane 60 CUSA $600,000 2 78 Troy Calhoun Air Force 40 MWC $572,000 2 79 Skip Holtz East Carolina 43 CUSA $560,000 80 Joe Glenn Wyoming 58 MWC $551,000 81 Mark Snyder Marshall 41 CUSA $470,000 82 Mike Price UTEP 61 CUSA $460,000 83 [deleted] Tomey San Jose St. 69 WAC $451,000 3 84 Rocky Long New Mexico 57 MWC $440,000 85 Mike Sanford UNLV 52 MWC $439,000 86 David Bailiff Rice 48 CUSA $400,000 2 87 Bill Lynch Indiana 52 Big 10 $393,000 88 Mario Cristobal Fla. Int'l. 38 Sun Belt $381,000 89 Chris Ault Nevada 61 WAC $368,000 90 Derek Dooley La. Tech. 39 WAC $350,000 91 Hal Mumme N. Mexico St. 55 WAC $349,000 92 H. Schnellenberger Florida Atlantic 73 SunBelt $331,000 93 Tom Amstutz Toledo 52 MAC $313,000 94 Al Golden Temple 38 Ind. $300,000 2 95 Neil Callaway UAB 52 CUSA $300,000 1 96 Larry Blakeney Troy St. 60 SunBelt $288,000 97 Rick Stockstill Middle Tenn. 50 SunBelt $283,000 98 Frank Solich Ohio 63 MAC $270,000 99 Bill Cubit W. Michigan 54 SEC $266,000 100 Butch Jones C. Michigan 38 MAC $265,000 101 Todd Dodge N. Texas 44 SunBelt $261,000 102 Brent Guy Utah St. 46 WAC $250,000 103 JD Brookhart Akron 41 MAC $244,000 3 104 Robb Akey Idaho 40 Pac 10 $240,000 105 Charlie Weatherbie La. Monroe 52 SunBelt $205,000 106 Ricky Bustle La. Lafayette 45 SunBelt $196,000 107 Jeff Genyk E. Michigan 47 MAC $196,000 108 Turner Gill Buffalo 45 MAC $191,000 109 Gregg Brandon Bowling Green 51 MAC $184,000 110 David Elson W. Kentucky 36 Ind. $180,000 3 111 Steve Roberts Arkansas St. 43 SunBelt $171,000 112 Brady Hoke Ball St. 49 MAC $170,000 113 Doug Martin Kent St. 44 MAC $170,000 114 Shane Montgomery Miami, Ohio 40 MAC $144,000
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by EastStang » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:44 pm
While I would prefer Barnett over Coker, it would be an okay hire. We could and have done worse. Why has it taken so long for us to interview Coker? Didn't Miami have some NCAA type problems while Coker was coach? It seems to me that there was some shopping trip to a shoe store or something like that?
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by J.T.supporta » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:45 pm
Hoop Fan wrote:J.T.supporta wrote:Hoop Fan wrote:Dutch wrote:Hoop Fan wrote:Coker would be a pathetic hire for SMU at this point. Rice and Tulsa didnt want him last year, why would we? And you cannot tell me we waited all this time to hire Larry Freakin Coker from the unemployment line. ridiculous. Turner Gill would be 10 times the better hire, as would several other guys including Barnett. Please tell me this is not true.
ENOUGH ALREADY WITH TURNER GILL.
tough crap. We should be throwing big money at Gill before we hire an old retread like Larry Coker.
Gills not leaving Buffalo, so enough
whatever, everybody has a price. Better offer Gill $2 mil per year before you hire Coker and ruin this program beyond repair if its not already there.
id rather hire a proven coach, especially if he has a NC on his resume instead of a coach that hasnt done that much in his young career. not a knock on Gill but i dont want to wasted 7 more years watching a team stay in the gutter
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by Billy Joe » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:46 pm
Coker did not leave Miami in shambles. Miami is not a good team right now for two reasons: 1) no qb and 2) they lose a lot of players to the NFL and have to rebuild. Most on this board are delusional. We are SMU. The same SMU that has had only 1 winning season in 20 years. SMU interviews a coach who has won a National Championship and you are complaining about it......ggggeeezzz.
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by Stallion » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:47 pm
This is such an awful, bad, ridiculous choice that I think its a scam to make the real choice look more appealing.
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by SmooBoy » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:48 pm
What's humorous to me is that Stallion (and others) would rather have a high school coach than one who has won the National Championship. I'm sure the Miami players just coached themselves to the title that year. Almost won it by themselves the next year as well, but got screwed over (controversial, I know).
Only at SMU. I guess bring on Scooter Smith from WE R. High.
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by ebrooks11 » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:49 pm
What I find funny is when someone mentioned the possiblity of Butch Davis coming here early in this search everyone thought that would be a brilliant move and he would be a savior. And now there is talk of Larry Coker who took kids that Butch couldnt win a NC with and won one and should have won 2 if it werent for officiating and he would be a bad hire.
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by Peruna8891 » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:50 pm
BillyJoe, Dead on!
Not my first choice (then again Orsini didn't asked me), and LC is definitely a significant trade up. He might retire in 2 years, but he probably won't use us as a stepping stone.
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