37 days to Signing Day and no coach

jtstang · Post by **jtstang** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:04 pm

Insane_Pony_Posse wrote:What are your qualifications to criticize others for questioning Orsini?

No qualifications, just reality.
But reality is a pretty good teammate

How many conference champions have you hired?
Just like them and unlike Orsini....NONE!

How many Div 1 stadiums have you got built?
Just like them and unlike Orsini.....NONE!

How many hundreds of millions have you raised for an athletic program?
Just like them and unlike Orsini.....NONE

Thanks for helping me make my case!

If you're going to question the folks who question Orsini, I'm
going to question the ones who don't.

Yes please do.....fire away....I will be more than
happy to repeat why I don't question Orsini. Mainly and again
it is REALITY.....REALITY is: we dont know the whole story.
I don't sit back not knowing anywhere near the whole picture
and take pot shots at a guy with a proven track record in these
kind of endeavors.

There is a big difference......I am not pretending
I know more than Orsini about athletic administration.... they are!

NEXT?

All good answers. Makes your sunshiner opinion no better than the naysayer's, so if you wnat the naysayer to shut the hell up then so should you.

Insane_Pony_Posse · Post by **Insane_Pony_Posse** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:04 pm

Exactly. The admin loves people like you who don't question
anything. This is why we are in the shape we are in.

I question plenty of things, but what I question the
most is......why you are here?

Why do you choose to follow SMU football and be a fan of
an administration's team that you seem to loathe and have
such a low opinion of?

I worked with a guy like you once, after ten years of
hearing him complain & moan every single day I finally
asked him..."do you have a ball & chain around your ankle?".
"If it's soooooo terrible why dont you go find somewhere else
to work"?

Insane_Pony_Posse · Post by **Insane_Pony_Posse** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:13 pm

"Makes your sunshiner opinion no better than the naysayer's"

Better?
Not sure who decides whats "better".
Personally I think sunshine is "better" than darkness.

My position is more logical
They are "shooting in the dark".....
Making assumptions about Orsini when
they know very little of the complete story.

so if you wnat the naysayer to shut the hell up then so should you.

Actually I am pleased that they keep digging a
deeper hole because "judgement day" is just around the
corner and all the bozos demeaning SMU saying "no one wants
to come here" are gonna be the laughing stock of this board.
Of course I doubt they will ever admit they were dead wrong.

couch 'em · Post by **couch 'em** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:14 pm

Insane_Pony_Posse wrote:No. Clearly he is a huge upgrade.

OMG.......hip hip hooray!....We agree on something!

That doesn't mean he is the best available coach for the situation at SMU.

And it doesn't mean he isn't the best available.
Again we don't know all the facts.
However if ten people were doing the hiring, we might get 10 differennt coaches.
"The best available coach" is not subjective is it?

Yes. You're right. We don't have all the facts, and we don't know if he is or is not the best available coach. All we have is his track record. Jones has only ever coached (in college) at Hawaii, and his teams were made up of ex-cons, transfers, and polynesians. I saw an article (the espn one?) that claimed he hasn't even had a recruiting trip to the mainland in years. SMU has not allowed much in the way of ex-cons or transfers since I was an infant. SMU also does not have a historical connections with pacific islanders because we are in the middle of Texas, which is not an island in the middle of the pacific!

Conversely, someone like Fran has a long history of recruiting Texas and DFW, successfully, which is what SMU has always sought.

That is a track record.

And yes, 'the best coach' is subjective. So is the answer to 'is orisni doing a good job'. Nobody on this board (except 'Top25' who is obviously an SMU employee) knows all the info on either subject. That is why we are discussing it.

You, however, seem to be as far off into rose-colored-glasses land that you are no different from biggin who is negitive about everything. You take complaining about Orsini like some kind of personal attack on you. I bet you thought Bennett was a "good man" too?

I know I post mostly crap on this board, or just try to rile people up, and rarely contribute anything of value but sunshiners like what you seem to be are why SMU is in this mess. The same people who believed all the Copeland BS, the 'Bennett needs a contract extension', "The Committment", etc etc., and just moved on to the next pie-in-the-sky empty promise SMU made every time you realized you had been duped.

We simply do not know if Jones can recruit high level talent to SMU.
The type of player he has recruited is very very different from what
SMU has allowed in the past.

And you could say the exact same thing about Jimmy Johnson and Bob Stoops.

Yes, you could. And I would.

BIGHORSE · Post by **BIGHORSE** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:18 pm

Well said Big Al, I too have mostly endured much pain

through the years, but if I beleived we would always

stink, then why would I continue to support the team

it is easy to complain right now, but some of our

"fans" will always whine about something. :roll:

Insane_Pony_Posse · Post by **Insane_Pony_Posse** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:22 pm

"Yes, you could. And I would"

That pretty much sums it up.....
(and proves to me I am wasting my time)
you admit you are such a "doom & gloomer"
you would even be unconvinced if Orsini
hired Jimmy Johnson or Bob Stoops as the
new SMU head football coach.

:roll:

couch 'em · Post by **couch 'em** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:28 pm

Insane_Pony_Posse wrote:"Yes, you could. And I would"

That pretty much sums it up.....
(and proves to me I am wasting my time)
you admit you are such a "doom & gloomer"
you would even be unconvinced if Orsini
hired Jimmy Johnson or Bob Stoops as the
new SMU head football coach.

What is this "unconvinced"? If by 'unconvinced' you mean that I won't blindly assume that they will be able to recruit to SMU based on their trackrecord, then yes. I would be jumping with joy if we hired one of them, I will be convinced when we are winning.

jtstang · Post by **jtstang** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:28 pm

Insane_Pony_Posse wrote:Better?
Not sure who decides whats "better".
Personally I think sunshine is "better" than darkness.

My position is more logical
They are "shooting in the dark".....
Making assumptions about Orsini when
they know very little of the complete story.

The one thing that I know about you without question is that you like the sunshine better. I am sure you can put a positive spin on our 0-12 season if you put your mind to it.

As far as making assumptions about Orsini without knowing the complete story, how again is that not exactly what you are doing?? Are you criticizing yourself too?

Insane_Pony_Posse · Post by **Insane_Pony_Posse** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:29 pm

I know I post mostly crap on this board, or just try to rile people up,

BINGO!
I knew it.

but sunshiners like what you seem to be are why SMU is in this mess.

Wrong again.

The same people who believed all the Copeland BS, the 'Bennett needs contract extension', "The Committment", etc etc.,

Wrong again.
I could not stand Mike Cavan and thought Copeland should
have been fired years before he left. Bennett should have
been fired right after the Rice game season before last.

and just moved on to the next pie-in-the-sky empty promise
SMU
Pie in the sky?

Since when was SMU offering 1.5 million a year to
a football head coach?

You think thats "pie in the sky"?

couch 'em · Post by **couch 'em** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:34 pm

Insane_Pony_Posse wrote:
Since when was SMU offering 1.5 million a year to
a football head coach?

You think thats "pie in the sky"?

It's pie-in-the-sky until it brings in a good coach who can recruit and win at SMU.

I judge success on the basis of wins at SMU.

Insane_Pony_Posse · Post by **Insane_Pony_Posse** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:48 pm

"It's pie-in-the-sky until it brings in a good
coach who can recruit and win at SMU"

It is not "pie in the sky" that we are now
competing with the big boys pay-wise.

"I judge success on the basis of wins at SMU"

So you would not think it was "a success"
for SMU to land a Barnett/Fran/June Jones
over an unknown coordinator since neither
had any wins at SMU?

couch 'em · Post by **couch 'em** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:57 pm

Insane_Pony_Posse wrote:"I judge success on the basis of wins at SMU"

So you would not think it was "a success"
for SMU to land a Barnett/Fran/June Jones
over an unknown coordinator since neither
had any wins at SMU?

Yes, that's what I'm saying. It makes me feel good to judge things this way, since then I know that you, me, and stallion have all had the same number of wins as an SMU coach, and thus are all equal. Now we can get together and sip white zinfandel!

tombstone · Post by **tombstone** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:04 pm

He will win and do it within the rules. He has never had a problem with graduation or problem kids. He will build a program we can be proud of.

White Helmet · Post by **White Helmet** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:05 pm

Just that HIPPA and NCAA infractions with his little newleter and the 2 players he recrutied Babaloa and the other kid arrested for Assault and robbery and possesing 3 kinds of drugs.

Insane_Pony_Posse · Post by **Insane_Pony_Posse** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:42 pm

so let me get this straight
you honestly do not think
it would be a success for SMU
to hire Urban Meyer over some
unknown because neither
have a win at SMU?

37 days to Signing Day and no coach

Get Fran and build a winner within the rules