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Postby MrMustang1965 » Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:08 pm

Weird. Only someone in California could think up something like this!

2 QBs. 11 eligible players.

http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=825031

http://a11offense.com/
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Postby CalallenStang » Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:15 pm

Odd. Has some concepts I've thought of. By the way, I've got an idea for something that I call the "neverending option offense." I won't go into detail here (don't want my idea taken), but I will say this: envision every play looking extremely similar, all with a run/pass option (from multiple players), with ample opportunities for misdirection and playaction.

I've run it by some people who have good defensive minds, and if anyone ever implements it, it's got the possibility of taking the high school and possibly college level of football by storm. I think that the pro level athletes might be able to stop it based on pure athletic ability.

The downfall is that it requires a decision to be made by every player on the field on every play. It would require every player to have a knowledge of the philosophy of the offense at least equal to the coordinator's knowledge of it.
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Postby RednBlue11 » Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:44 pm

CalallenStang wrote:Odd. Has some concepts I've thought of. By the way, I've got an idea for something that I call the "neverending option offense." I won't go into detail here (don't want my idea taken), but I will say this: envision every play looking extremely similar, all with a run/pass option (from multiple players), with ample opportunities for misdirection and playaction.

I've run it by some people who have good defensive minds, and if anyone ever implements it, it's got the possibility of taking the high school and possibly college level of football by storm. I think that the pro level athletes might be able to stop it based on pure athletic ability.

The downfall is that it requires a decision to be made by every player on the field on every play. It would require every player to have a knowledge of the philosophy of the offense at least equal to the coordinator's knowledge of it.


exactly what the west coast offense demands...i bet on a small scale it would work well for HS and obviously those more cerebral players in College could handle it.
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Postby RGV Pony » Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:45 pm

It looks like 8-man football with 11 players. But then I guess that makes it 11-man football. That looks like 8-man football. Never mind.
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Re: The A-11 Offense

Postby HB Pony Dad » Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:56 pm

MrMustang1965 wrote:Weird. Only someone in California could think up something like this!

2 QBs. 11 eligible players.

http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=825031

http://a11offense.com/


Is this true....

"Humphries (Piedmont's director of football operations) said he saw San Jose State run multiple A-11 plays last season against Stanford. Florida ran an offensive play recalling the A-11 against LSU. And Rutgers and the NFL's San Francisco 49ers ran punt plays containing aspects of Piedmont's offense."

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Re: The A-11 Offense

Postby HB Pony Dad » Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:00 pm

MrMustang1965 wrote:Weird. Only someone in California could think up something like this!


Now, now, we have to be GC (geographically correct) in our posts...

"Weird. Only someone in Northern California could think up something like this!"
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Re: The A-11 Offense

Postby MrMustang1965 » Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:05 pm

HB Pony Dad wrote:
MrMustang1965 wrote:Weird. Only someone in California could think up something like this!


Now, now, we have to be GC (geographically correct) in our posts...

"Weird. Only someone in Northern California could think up something like this!"
My apologies, HB Pony Dad. You're correct.
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Re: The A-11 Offense

Postby East Coast Mustang » Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:19 pm

HB Pony Dad wrote:"Weird. Only someone in Northern California could think up something like this!"


I always thought Southern CA was the looniest part of the state
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Re: The A-11 Offense

Postby RednBlue11 » Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:21 pm

East Coast Mustang wrote:
HB Pony Dad wrote:"Weird. Only someone in Northern California could think up something like this!"


I always thought Southern CA was the looniest part of the state


the OC is sensible although excessive, but Hollywood is nuts
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Re: The A-11 Offense

Postby HB Pony Dad » Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:10 pm

RednBlue11 wrote:
East Coast Mustang wrote:
HB Pony Dad wrote:"Weird. Only someone in Northern California could think up something like this!"


I always thought Southern CA was the looniest part of the state


the OC is sensible although excessive, but Hollywood is nuts



Life behind the Orange Curtain excessive?

Surely you jest! :D
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Re: The A-11 Offense

Postby couch 'em » Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:34 am

MrMustang1965 wrote:Weird. Only someone in California could think up something like this!

2 QBs. 11 eligible players.

http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=825031

http://a11offense.com/


Is this the extreme logical conclusion of the run & shoot?
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Re: The A-11 Offense

Postby LAPonyAir » Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:00 am

RednBlue11 wrote:
East Coast Mustang wrote:
HB Pony Dad wrote:"Weird. Only someone in Northern California could think up something like this!"


I always thought Southern CA was the looniest part of the state


the OC is sensible although excessive, but Hollywood is nuts


Hollywood is out of its damn mind, but majority of crazy Californians (ie. those in San Francisco, Berkley) reside in the North.
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Postby White Helmet » Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:21 am

Only 5 eligible players per play, it will all be predicated on who is "covered" or uncovered in the formation. If a team runs it exclusively it should not be that hard to figure who is eligible on each play and account for that. It is not really that different than splitting a Guard and tackle out wide and throwing a bubble screen to the slot behind them. Just a tricked up offense to make up for a lack of talent.
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Postby Paladin » Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:38 am

CalallenStang wrote:Odd. Has some concepts I've thought of. By the way, I've got an idea for something that I call the "neverending option offense." I won't go into detail here (don't want my idea taken), but I will say this: envision every play looking extremely similar, all with a run/pass option (from multiple players), with ample opportunities for misdirection and playaction.

I've run it by some people who have good defensive minds, and if anyone ever implements it, it's got the possibility of taking the high school and possibly college level of football by storm. I think that the pro level athletes might be able to stop it based on pure athletic ability.

The downfall is that it requires a decision to be made by every player on the field on every play. It would require every player to have a knowledge of the philosophy of the offense at least equal to the coordinator's knowledge of it.



Isn't the "never-ending option offense" called Rugby ?
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Postby CalallenStang » Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:04 am

Paladin wrote:
CalallenStang wrote:Odd. Has some concepts I've thought of. By the way, I've got an idea for something that I call the "neverending option offense." I won't go into detail here (don't want my idea taken), but I will say this: envision every play looking extremely similar, all with a run/pass option (from multiple players), with ample opportunities for misdirection and playaction.

I've run it by some people who have good defensive minds, and if anyone ever implements it, it's got the possibility of taking the high school and possibly college level of football by storm. I think that the pro level athletes might be able to stop it based on pure athletic ability.

The downfall is that it requires a decision to be made by every player on the field on every play. It would require every player to have a knowledge of the philosophy of the offense at least equal to the coordinator's knowledge of it.



Isn't the "never-ending option offense" called Rugby ?


That's where I got a lot of the inspiration for it...what I have is much more controlled, though, and does not actually have never-ending options (though it will appear to the defense that it does). The thought is that the coordinator can adjust the offense based upon what the defense is doing on a macro scale, and the different options that each player has on each play, which involves a lot of reading the defense, helps the offense to adjust to the defense on a micro scale.

Without going into too much detail, I will say that another disadvantage is that the QB has to have good speed, or it won't work...also, at least one RB (preferably two) has to throw the ball with decent authority, or it won't work. "Receivers" have to block and catch equally well.
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