Admissions just KILLED recruiting....

[Pony!Poni!Pone'!]

The President of this University has every business calling the head coach on something. Jones might not report directly to Turner, but he is beholden to what his administrative superiors dictate, whether that is through Orsini or Turner. This is amplified by the fact that Jones is already, arguably, the most visible non-student at SMU, and is responsible for directing the most visible program on campus. The only argument you can make is that Turner directly calling a subordinate on anything is a misuse of his time, and, a stretch, possibly breeding an unhealthy professional environment, but to assert that Turner has no business to do so is laughable. Furthermore, it doesn't matter where the money came from to pay Jones' salary. He is an employee of Southern Methodist University; the source of the funds is irrelevant...Jones' didn't sign any sort of contract with the donors who are supplying his salary.

and yet you do nothing to challenge my position that JJ and Turner are interchangeable in your previous statement.

At any rate, if as you say JJ is "...responsible for directing the most visible program on campus," unless SMU has restructured itself in a fashion similar to a high school, where the principal...in this case the univervisty president...sits in classrooms and grades professors, I do tend to disagree. It's that basic premise that some of the good folks at Tech took exception to. CJ allegedly had a regent and a chancellor on speed dial and directed his concerns directly over the head of Leach.

And, if you think that the source of the funds and the person/staff to whom those funds are directed have no bearing on one another, I would also submit that I disagree.

[Stallion]

which one of you is Bill Clements? He's still around isn't he? The concept that the Head Football coach should not be subordinate to the President of SMU-especially at SMU is one of the stupiest things I've heard in let me see 24 years. It is also irrelevant since in this Case it was the Admission Committee that made the decision. Mexmustang totally pulled that argument that Turner was trying to get back at June Jones out of his [deleted].

[Pony!Poni!Pone'!]

which one of you is Bill Clements? He's still around isn't he? The concept that the Head Football coach should not be subordinate to the President of SMU-especially at SMU is one of the stupiest things I've heard in let me see 24 years.

, my statement was "Turner is not JJ's immediate superior." Drawing the line from that factual statement to your declarative statement of "the Head Football coach should not be subordinate to the President of SMU" is not within the context of my post.


Again, stlhockeydude said JJ is responsible for the visible football program. Stallion, if you're responsible for restocking the styrofoam coffee cups at the firm each day, if tomorrow you forget them, is the secretary going to go [deleted] at the senior partner?

[Stallion]

"JJ's immediate superior is not Turner, it is SO. Trustees-President-AD-Coach. The president has no business calling any head coach on anything"

That is a STUPID Statement-any SMU Fan thinking that nonsense ought to be called out.

[Pony!Poni!Pone'!]

"JJ's immediate superior is not Turner, it is SO. Trustees-President-AD-Coach. The president has no business calling any head coach on anything"

That is a STUPID Statement-any SMU Fan thinking that nonsense ought to be called out.

and here I edited my post to take out the anti-Stallion sentiment.

So you are of the opinion that the president of a major university should go around micro-managing everything? I could almost see that if JJ had given any indication that he was not capable of his task or if they were NCAA compliance issues. But he has not and, to my knowledge, there are not.

Stallion, do you disagree with the statement that JJ's immediate superior is Orsini?

[SMU89]

which one of you is Bill Clements? He's still around isn't he? The concept that the Head Football coach should not be subordinate to the President of SMU-especially at SMU is one of the stupiest things I've heard in let me see 24 years.

Stallion, if you're responsible for restocking the styrofoam coffee cups at the firm each day, if tomorrow you forget them, is the secretary going to go [deleted] at the senior partner?

That's a trick question.

[mrydel]

Probably depends on with which partner the secretary is havign an affair.

[Stallion]

2009-Purdue BB player denied admission athough fully qualified. I've found 12 such cases now in the last month none at the 20 or schools traditionally considered the academic schools.

http://s2.excoboard.com/exco/archive.ph ... =2079555-1

[Stallion]

13. 2009-Penn St Football player denied admission despite being fully qualified by NCAA Clearinghouse

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index ... pts_b.html

[NickSMU17]

Stallion...

Just continue reading rivals and scout and give us updates on the recruiting situation...let the big boys take care of the real shti that needs to get done around here...Go grab some SAT/ACT scores for the incoming class...make sure they won't have problems...make yourself useful...

You guys continue to make this a Jackson/hall issue....it is the very tip of the iceberg when it comes to admin/athletic department struggles...Maybe a pay site will write an article on it so you will believe it...

Things are improving slowly...JJ has set to sign extension...when that occurs I will stop writing Turner...

[Stallion]

14, and 15 and 16, South Carolina as a policy does not admit minimum NCAA requirements. 2 full NCAA qualifiers denied admission to South Carolina. In a separate article I found a BB recruit not admiitted under same scenario.

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/08/08/recruit

[SMU89]

DC has article.......

http://www.smudailycampus.com/sports/sm ... -1.1528903

[Mexmustang]

Stallion: "Please turn off your computer and check ln your time card, the firm can no longer afford an associate that does nothing more than play on the internet all day", managing parter.

My post has nothing to do with June Jones line of reporting, but everything to do with the integrity of Turner. If you truely believe it is all right to delegate and not take personal responsibility for the promises and assurances you make as CEO, when raising money or hiring your executives then you will never make parter! Turner is the administration of the university, he is the academic acceptance committee even if he doesnt sit on it. You simply don't get it. Calling me or anyone involved a "Bill Clements" is simply your only stick! Your refusal to recognize the need to call Turner's hand on this only demonstrates your inability to look under the surface of what has been going on. You have no investigative instinct and I doubt any ability to lead. You remind me of the that cat that after jumping on a hot stove never got near any stove again cold or not--can't you do anything but raise that worn out specter of "death penalty" and the NCAA. This has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with cheating, changing grades, paying players, but the value of promises and assurances made by the President of the university to fans, alumia, donors and key hires, that SMU's acceptance policiy for athletes will be competitive with the majority of universities--"NCAA Qualified". If you truely want to look for a football villian, look south to Austin with the graduation rates of less than 30% (non-caucasion) for football, the lowest SAT scores of all reporting universities in basketball. Despite the "side door" academic programs for athletes, their assigned alumina "sponsor" program for athletes, they still can't get more than 2 out of 3 players to graduate--there is a crime! I think I hear your former boss calling...

[Insane_Pony_Posse]

If you truely want to look for a football villian, look south to Austin with the graduation rates of less than 30% (non-caucasion) for football, the lowest SAT scores of all reporting universities in basketball. Despite the "side door" academic programs for athletes, their assigned alumina "sponsor" program for athletes, they still can't get more than 2 out of 3 players to graduate--there is a crime!

Mexmustang you better watch it...you have really crossed the line here...
stating negative facts about Stallion's sacred Longhorns!!!

[2112]

If you truely want to look for a football villian, look south to Austin with the graduation rates of less than 30% (non-caucasion) for football, the lowest SAT scores of all reporting universities in basketball. Despite the "side door" academic programs for athletes, their assigned alumina "sponsor" program for athletes, they still can't get more than 2 out of 3 players to graduate--there is a crime!

Mexmustang you better watch it...you have really crossed the line here...
stating negative facts about Stallion's sacred Longhorns!!!

shut up insaneposse....stallion iz a bald old fart...