Admissions just KILLED recruiting....

[BIGHORSE]

stallion just likes to be opposite of everyone else, for years he cried

that we need to lower our standerds, but now that most of us want to

make sure it's done smoothly he has to argue just to be different.

[Stallion]

News Chosen Specially for Those on this Thread or those that can deal with reality.

All 25 members of the UT freshman class qualified under the NCAA Clearinghouse despite the fact most committed 15 months before school. Texas has now had 127 full qualifiers out of their last 129 signees. The exception were one kid who had scholarship revoked due to off field behavior and another who "just missed" according to Rivals by scoring an 868 on his SAT when he needed an 870. June Jones has 12 nonqualifiers in 2 classes. Mexmustang-you in particular have no factual basis for your ridiculous statements. Try learning the first thing about the subject matter before regurgitating what June Jones' water boy told you

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/ ... _bevo_beat

[Pony!Poni!Pone'!]

News Chosen Specially for Those on this Thread or those that can deal with reality.

All 25 members of the UT freshman class qualified under the NCAA Clearinghouse despite the fact most committed 15 months before school. Texas has now had 127 fully qualifiers out of their last 129 signees

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/ ... _bevo_beat

yay! And I'm guessing all of them will be admitted to that Tier-1 university, having demonstrated a capability of performing in a college curriculum. Yet somehow, some statistical demographic will only graduate 30%? Just going by what was posted previously in the thread. I could be wrong.

This brings up another point. Who do you think Mack Brown hears from more often, DeLoss Dodds or William Powers? How many times do we read about William Powers needing to keep Mack Brown in check?

[BIGHORSE]

Man, if stallion loved the Stangs and defended them half as much

as he does the cows he would be a good man to have on our side.

[cutter]

This brings up another point. Who do you think Mack Brown hears from more often, DeLoss Dodds or William Powers?

neither. stallion is my guess.




okay, sorry. I couldn't resist.

[PonyKai]

This brings up another point. Who do you think Mack Brown hears from more often, DeLoss Dodds or William Powers? How many times do we read about William Powers needing to keep Mack Brown in check?

I guess I would offer up for intelligent discussion the idea that (obviously) SMU and UT are quite different. However, the difference I've wondered about is that within the last 3-6 years SMU has decided to alter fairly dramatically our policies, educational opportunities, and admissions criteria towards athletics. This is merely us attempting to slide back toward an even playing field with many other universities, but, regardless, significant changes have been made here at this University from previous policy. Because of that, and because of the fact that Jones is really the first coach that has had an opportunity to compete under these new policies, is it unreasonable to view this as a period of transition that would require the administrative side, outside of Orsini, to be at least somewhat directly involved with, for example, Jones and potential student-athletes he wants to bring to SMU. UT, and I don't know facts here, has probably had the same, or similar standards in place for many years. Additionally, they haven't had to alter anything significant recently in order to become competitive, and they enjoy all the well-known benefits that they have. Furthermore, Mack Brown has been there, what, since the mid-90's, while Jones has only been here a short time. I'd venture a guess that the relationship between Brown, Dodds, and Powers is quite different because they have a well-oiled machine firing on all cylinders and everyone is on the same page and happy.

Without trying to be too staunch a defender of Turner's, or Jones, is it fair to look at our situation here as unique because we are actively trying to significantly change the way we do business? I believe it to be yes, and there is bound to be some friction along the way. I see this as a hiccup on the way to greater success and harmony, and probably one that was necessary. I could be wrong though.

For reasonable discussion.

[tcubeater]

This brings up another point. Who do you think Mack Brown hears from more often, DeLoss Dodds or William Powers? How many times do we read about William Powers needing to keep Mack Brown in check?

I guess I would offer up for intelligent discussion the idea that (obviously) SMU and UT are quite different. However, the difference I've wondered about is that within the last 3-6 years SMU has decided to alter fairly dramatically our policies, educational opportunities, and admissions criteria towards athletics. This is merely us attempting to slide back toward an even playing field with many other universities, but, regardless, significant changes have been made here at this University from previous policy. Because of that, and because of the fact that Jones is really the first coach that has had an opportunity to compete under these new policies, is it unreasonable to view this as a period of transition that would require the administrative side, outside of Orsini, to be at least somewhat directly involved with, for example, Jones and potential student-athletes he wants to bring to SMU. UT, and I don't know facts here, has probably had the same, or similar standards in place for many years. Additionally, they haven't had to alter anything significant recently in order to become competitive, and they enjoy all the well-known benefits that they have. Furthermore, Mack Brown has been there, what, since the mid-90's, while Jones has only been here a short time. I'd venture a guess that the relationship between Brown, Dodds, and Powers is quite different because they have a well-oiled machine firing on all cylinders and everyone is on the same page and happy.

Without trying to be too staunch a defender of Turner's, or Jones, is it fair to look at our situation here as unique because we are actively trying to significantly change the way we do business? I believe it to be yes, and there is bound to be some friction along the way. I see this as a hiccup on the way to greater success and harmony, and probably one that was necessary. I could be wrong though.

For reasonable discussion.

Yes. A reasonble discussion and a keen eye/take on the improvements admission wise for the recruits.

I believe there are enough 3 to 4 star players out there that can make it on the Hilltop academically and inside of Ford (and all the other sports). We all know SMU is "national" and doesn't have to rely on a small defined geographic recruiting area. Look what we are bringing in from California.

We are on the right track to be solid in this area in 2 to 3 more years - max.

Patience, in all areas, will be a key.

[Charleston Pony]

obviously we don't have the appeal that Texas does for recruits, so they can and should be more selective in terms of taking on any academic risks. To compare what SMU is doing with what Texas is doing is comparing apples to oranges. Our comparison should be with TCU. How many academic risks did they admit as they began their quest for a competitive football program under Fran?

Another statistic I'd like to see is how our athletic/academic failure rate compares to that of the general student body? I was aware of a few spoiled rich kids who didn't do their classwork and failed to last beyond a single semester...and others beyond a full year.

If the NCAA is going to measure academic success of athletics by looking at how many incoming FR go on to graduate, shouldn't that percentage be compared to the general student population? Is that the case? Are exceptions given for transfers? Guys who leave early to play professionally? I obviously haven't paid that much attention to all the new "rules" but understand that poor academic performance can limit the number of scholarships we can give in the future. Kids leave for a variety of reasons...both athletes and regular students.

For those who know the rules, are we taking undue risk with football/bball admissions as we try to become relevant again?

[PonyKai]

I know that our four year graduation rates are absolutely dreadful compared to our "bench mark" schools like Vandy, Duke, etc. They have four year rates around 90%...and I think ours was around either 56%, or 64%. The Daily Campus did an article on it last year. SMU is definitely the place to take your time to graduate! Of course I can't imagine admin is too too worried about that, I mean, for over 20k a semester, who wouldn't support a six year academic plan?

[ponyboy]

obviously we don't have the appeal that Texas does for recruits, so they can and should be more selective in terms of taking on any academic risks.

Serious question. How many four and five star players are academic risks?

[mustangxc]

I know that our four year graduation rates are absolutely dreadful compared to our "bench mark" schools like Vandy, Duke, etc. They have four year rates around 90%...and I think ours was around either 56%, or 64%. The Daily Campus did an article on it last year. SMU is definitely the place to take your time to graduate! Of course I can't imagine admin is too too worried about that, I mean, for over 20k a semester, who wouldn't support a six year academic plan?

Where did you get that information from. When I was a student I remember the overall rate was around 78% and around 85% for athletes.

[PonyKai]

There was a Daily Campus article that ran front page last year...I think in the early Spring semester, maybe they have an archive it can be pulled up from. It basically lamented the fact that SMU doesn't excel in graduating students in the traditional four-year window. It didn't focus specifically on athletes, just the general student population, and it compared our rates to schools that we like to use as our benchmark's, such as Vandy and Duke. Maybe it was just taken over a four-year period, from say, 2005-2009, but their rates were around 90%, and ours were either on the North or South side of 60%, but close to it.

[Blvd_Stang]

I am tired of seeing this thread at the top of the recruiting page.

We're still getting interest from top notch kids, and we haven't lost anyone yet.

We will survive this. Admissions didn't "KILL" recruiting. And we will come out of this stronger with more transparency between the administration and athletic staff.

"Life is thickly sown with thorns, and I know no other remedy than to pass quickly through them. The longer we dwell on our misfortunes, the greater is their power to harm us."
-- Voltaire

Now shut the [deleted] up

[cutter]

I am tired of seeing this thread at the top of the recruiting page.

you do realize that when you posted this it shot this thread back up to the front of the queue?
(yeah, I know that I just did it, too).

I think there is always a place for reasonable discourse. blindly accepting the status quo hardly ever places the lemmings in a safe place. angry tirades don't usually help, either. add the-sky-is-falling in that category, too.

yes, perhaps the thread title is a bit over-stated. but, maybe if you squint a bit, it will disappear and you can ignore it. anyway, emotions aside, I do believe that there has been some thoughtful points and questions raised here -- and hopefully, will continue to be raised -- as to the current and ultimate direction of the football program and its bearing upon the institution as a whole.
my thoughts, anyway.

[leopold]

I know that our four year graduation rates are absolutely dreadful compared to our "bench mark" schools like Vandy, Duke, etc. They have four year rates around 90%...and I think ours was around either 56%, or 64%. The Daily Campus did an article on it last year. SMU is definitely the place to take your time to graduate! Of course I can't imagine admin is too too worried about that, I mean, for over 20k a semester, who wouldn't support a six year academic plan?

Hell, it took me eight, mostly due to financial reasons (I admit, I could have been a little more focused in the classroom). But nobody gives a damn as long as you GET the degree.