Turned the corner...

[One Trick Pony]

I feel a gangster fight coming on...

[Stallion]

STALLION FUN FACT

According to Sagarin-SMU had the worst Strength of Schedule in CUSA by a fantastic and incredible 66 teams. And guess what 3 of our wins don't even count in that analysis because Sagarin doesn't even recognize victories over NAIA, NCAA Division 3 and National Christian Conference AA teams. Hopefully the CUSA Commissioner has a nice little sit down with Dohbo and our AD about that embarrassment like he reportedly did with other schools last year. Let's sit and ponder that just for a moment. SMU's SOS was 66 places worse than the 11th worst CUSA schedule. Wow! SMU Football's Strength of Schedule was 3rd in CUSA one place behind second.

[NickSMU17]

I would imagine SMU football will have the #1 SOS next year for football...

Wish we could change it to play more little sisters of the poor...


I like the basketball team and want them to be great, but we need equal rights on this board...

[The PonyGrad]

Stallion,

Good stat, have to give props on that.

Agreed that we must improve our scheduling now. Not just for us but for the conference as well.

Still, the back half of our schedule this season showed that the team had taken major strides.

Peace,

[hoopmanx]

I just find it odd that you can take such an honest look at the football program without looking the same way at the basketball program.

I look at both equally, neither team had a very impressive year, both are looking better for the future. Football relies on talent and depth and we are finally starting to get both but no where close to where tcu is...but that is hard to do When you have to basically get 44 talented kids willing to play a sport where the major programs have every advantage.

Step back and look at things with an unbiased opinion and you should see you are undercutting the football teams accomplishments in the short end and overvaluing the bball team.

Both are in similar improving positions but bball should only take .5 the amount of time football does.

I'm not overvaluing the accomplishments of the hoops program, cause we haven't done anything yet. It's just a rapidly improving program, no different than football. Spare me the it take longer in football garbage, cause one was perceived as a bad program, the other racist. Then look at the demographics of the recruitable athletes for each sport, and you'll see that in this case, hoops was going to take longer.

[NickSMU17]

The racist thing has been kicked around at SMU forever...It existed when I was there 98-02....I undertand exactly what we did to tubss and how that hurt our rep...

my response to that is why then did we let a black asst. hang for major violations and then replace him with 2 white assts? Not to mention we have left a losing white coach stay 5 years and get extensions after we ran a black guy off after 2 seasons...

Wouldn't this exaggerate the racial bias argument?

Just curious how we combated that this season but couldn't do that the previous 5 years...

The football program wasn't perceived as bad, it was dead, which is far worse than the bball situation...

Take off the glasses my friend....

[hoopmanx]

STALLION FUN FACT

According to Sagarin-SMU had the worst Strength of Schedule in CUSA by a fantastic and incredible 66 teams. And guess what 3 of our wins don't even count in that analysis because Sagarin doesn't even recognize victories over NAIA, NCAA Division 3 and National Christian Conference AA teams. Hopefully the CUSA Commissioner has a nice little sit down with Dohbo and our AD about that embarrassment like he reportedly did with other schools last year. Let's sit and ponder that just for a moment. SMU's SOS was 66 places worse than the 11th worst CUSA schedule. Wow! SMU Football's Strength of Schedule was 3rd in CUSA one place behind second.

OMG, Is stallion saying our schedule stunk? Tell us something we haven't been discussing since last May. Better yet, watch a game and see the difference on the court in system & execution. Since you're a stat tool, maybe you'd do the research on where SMU ranks nationally in things like FG Percentage, FG percentage defense, FT shooting, dimes per bucket etc. Those are about as interesting as Stallion fun facts that have been rehashed for a year.

[hoopmanx]

The racist thing has been kicked around at SMU forever...It existed when I was there 98-02....I undertand exactly what we did to tubss and how that hurt our rep...

my response to that is why then did we let a black asst. hang for major violations and then replace him with 2 white assts? Not to mention we have left a losing white coach stay 5 years and get extensions after we ran a black guy off after 2 seasons...

Wouldn't this exaggerate the racial bias argument?

Just curious how we combated that this season but couldn't do that the previous 5 years...

The football program wasn't perceived as bad, it was dead, which is far worse than the bball situation...

Take off the glasses my friend....

LOL @ the football program being perceived as dead. Tell that to the football folks at my company, which is maybe the premier football based apparel company in the world. Heck, let's ask Mike Leach, whom is on our payroll, what he thinks. I have. What about Gene Chizhik, cause I've asked him too. You are guessing, I stand on the few football industry contacts I have. SMU wasn't committed, the second they were, was the second they could achieve on the field.

As for guessing, could you know less about the Geary situation? It's funny how hoops haters want to twist that whole thing up, considering the release itself said infractions happened prior to Geary joining the staff. It caught me for a second as well, but the truth is out there, it's just not for public forum consumption.

[NickSMU17]

First, I am not a hoops hater....

Answer to point 1....isn't not being committed the same as dead...and didn't it take JJ to wake us up from that...Basketball can always survive at schools that don't want to commit to football...I didn't need validation to know that SMU in the middle of the largest pool of talent of high school football players could be revived, but the school didn't want to revive it... I'm not in the football game, but I am smarter than Chizek and leach combined...they aren't telling you anything I couldn't have told you 20 years ago...

Point 2 ...If it wasn't Geary then it was DOH, either way someone got us in trouble and if it was DOH, then like Tubbs he should have been fired...If we don't lay the blame elsewhere then the black community should expect us to fire DOH for major violations when we justified firing tubbs for minor...I know I will never hear the truth but I find it odd that Doh takes no heat for the violations. Quick Question, was the compliance guy we fired only in charge of basketball compliance? I ask b/c there is no way Reinbold wouldn't be text messaging every recruit's parents if he thought that was ok...and the football team would be in the same position as the basketball team.

You can't claim race was a problem in basketball when all we have done the past 3 years is extend stereotypes...

[RGV Pony]

I don't mean to change the subject but Nick maybe you know more than we do...yesterday afternoon we were discussing Notre Dame's meteoric rise this year. Yes Hansbrough's a stud like his brother...but how did they do it and DePaul cant/wont/doesnt? Why has DePaul sucked since Quentin Richardson finished playing there? Really since dad Meyer was done I guess. I'd think they could easily be the G'town of Chicago.

[NickSMU17]

I really don't know very much about either program.

Depaul has no on campus gym...they also had no connection with the top kids in the area...It really isn't much different than SMU. Except they play in the hardest conference in the country...

Purcell still has made no in-roads and it will be a tough turn-around...

As for ND, they recruit a different kind of kid, they have national appeal, similar to a Vandy, Boston college, ect.

This goes a long with the point that you can recruit certain kinds of kids and quickly turn around a program, ND has a great system, campus, atmosphere. These are programs we should try to be like, and we have started, it only took us 5 years to get there...

[PoconoPony]

What would we be without:

McMurry-NCAA Division 3
Dallas Christian-National Christian College AA
Wayland Baptist-NAIA
Central Arkansas-341 of 345
Grambling-332
Alabama st-309
Southeastern Missouri St-308

About 10-14 against teams not hovering around the Bottom 10% or below

not to mention
Lamar 268
Portland St 263

and not to forget those tough losses to:

UC Riverside 266
Louisiana Tech 247

Amen. I am not sure we have turned any corners particularly when most of the schedule is against teams below the top 150. Turning the corner to me suggests that we are competitive with teams in the top 100 and that we cannot claim.

[DanFreibergerForHeisman]

You can only play the teams on your schedule...

Oral Roberts is 144 and we beat them.

Sure it will be nice to be in the top 100 and beat top 100 teams, but it is definitely a lot better now than when we were bogged down in the mid-200s...

[expony18]

Stallion is all excited about football - forgetting we got beat by frigging army in a home game .

you basketball homers are laughable... stallion brings facts and you come back with opinions. as for the the army game, it was one of two games the football team should have won...
other losses
TT (8-5, could we hang with any big XII on the road?, bowl game)
#2 TCU (could SMU BB hang with Duke?)
NAVY (9-4, road game loss, bowl game)
UH (Top 25 to start the season)
UTEP (road game, bowl game)
#21 UCF (road game, CUSA champs)

and we beat #24 Tulsa.... so while Ponydohsupermanxxxhoop argues CUSA basketball is superior (opinion), the fact is our football program schedule is much more challenging (and football has two top 25 teams)

Everyone goes to a bowl game, and half of crap CUSA goes to a bowl game. No different than hoops. Basketball hung w/A&M last year in hoops, and could easily do so next year. Hell, they beat Memphis the last two, which is bigger than any victory football has put up in the last several, short of the Nevada game, just b/c it was our first bowl back. Comparing TCU to Duke is laughable. Put TCU in a legit BCS league and they have 4 losses. Navy is a tough system to defend, but we never ever beat them. UH bum rushed us, and they weren't close to Top 25 at the time. UTEP blows in football. LOL, basketball lost to the CUSA champs on the road too, big deal.

Be real, the hoops roster is more loaded than football starting next year, and they are in a better position to beat high majors w/regularity, until football gets a few more classes under it's belt. Oh yeah, hoops won its postseason game this year, football crapped the bed vs an abysmal team at home

if "everyone" goes to a bowl game then "everyone" goes to a post season basketball tournament... how many tournaments does it take for SMU basketball to get into the post season?!!!

and your argument that SMU bb is better suited then FB is funny, because everyone knows one player can turn around a basketball program. I didnt see that one player this year. your "opinion" on guys who sat out this year is purely your opinion. we have proven players on the football team... you know what im just going to stop there because all you have given is opinion and there have been numerous posts to prove you wrong (based in fact)

[NickSMU17]

The basketball team had a positive season, a step in the right direction...Not going to knock their year.

My frustration only exists in the time it took to get it going, the major violation incurred, and the fact that we are so quick to throw money at certain things...