Mitch McConnell wrote:June Jones -- the man who single-handidly did more to hurt SMU football than Ken Pye.
We have a winner -- without question the dumbest thing ever posted on this site. We get the fact that you have a personal vendetta against June, because he didn't shake your hand or kiss your baby or tell you how gosh-darn knowledgeable you are, but let it go. The fact is the Ponies are headed to their third straight bowl game. You might not like him, but the suggestion (even in a tongue-in-cheek way, which I can only hope is the basis behind this idiotic statement) that he somehow "hurt SMU football (more) than Ken Pye" is absolutely stupid.
For what it's worth, June did not "throw Klemm under the bus," either. He pointed out that the current starters are not Klemm recruits ... which is true, for the most part. We all know Klemm has recruited a lot of players who we think have a chance to be really good when it's their turn to start, whether that's 2012, 2013, 2014 -- whenever -- but he didn't say anything inaccurate. I'm like the vast majority on here, in that I don't want to see Klemm leave. I think he's a very good coach and an exceptional recruiter. I desperately want him to stay, but if he does decide to leave, I can't say I blame June for pointing out that a lot of key players have been recruited by different coaches. It's the truth.
Using an overhead projector? Who cares. And just about all coaches claim to not use or read what's on the internet -- standard operating procedure.
While a sincere apology would be nice, it really does nothing positive for recruiting. The spin he gave, while insulting to the fans that closely follow the program, is probably the smartest path and typical of most coaches. Please tell me you have seen this video before as it is the typical response and what I expected.
I heard several apologies, so not sure what you mean. Sorry it interfered with big east announcement, sorry it became so public, sorry people felt he broke their trust.
smusic 00 wrote:I heard several apologies, so not sure what you mean. Sorry it interfered with big east announcement, sorry it became so public, sorry people felt he broke their trust.
Sorry I'm a crappy liar? Sorry I consistently insult your intelligence?
smusic 00 wrote:I heard several apologies, so not sure what you mean. Sorry it interfered with big east announcement, sorry it became so public, sorry people felt he broke their trust.
I wasn't there to judge, just commenting on other poster's feelings that he was not sincere in his apology and that he was very insulting.
PonyPlayer4 wrote:Just looking back and comparing Hawaii to SMU and SMU to ASU for JJ. Didn't he say that if any of the news leaked before the bowl game that he would not consider SMU? He would be at Hawaii or somewhere else. Any chance this is what happened with the ASU situation?
This is not what happened. He was going to go and then ASU pulled the offer. JJ never removed his name from consideration and Steinberg's ranting afterwards proves that
smusic 00 wrote:I heard several apologies, so not sure what you mean. Sorry it interfered with big east announcement, sorry it became so public, sorry people felt he broke their trust.
Sorry I'm a crappy liar? Sorry I consistently insult your intelligence?
If you thought JJ hung the Moon, you were thrilled and thought JJ said it all.
If you want to be upset with JJ, then you didn't hear enough.
I guess I had low expectations and am not that upset he didn't get down on his knees and beg forgiveness.
The overhead thing disturbed me. I didn't think he needed to do it and am not sure what he thought it was going to accomplish. First, as we have discussed as nauseum, AK' recruits haven't had much opportunity yet despite their "stars.". Second, JJ seemed to focus on who identified the player, which is only one aspect of recruiting. AK and reinbold are good at the relationship aspect of recruiting, which is not the same thing.
SMU Football Blog wrote:Second, JJ seemed to focus on who identified the player, which is only one aspect of recruiting. AK and reinbold are good at the relationship aspect of recruiting, which is not the same thing.
I have been thinking about this aspect as well and it bothers me too. Perhaps he is used to recruiting at a lower level where finding the diamond in the rough is the key part of recruiting, as once you offer the kid will accept because he is not highly recruited.
To get higher level recruits it is not about finding them in most cases (although there is something to be said for offering first/early) as much as it is about selling them on the program.
78pony wrote: "I can't believe what I just listened to at lunch. Now, as a general split or estimate, if you were over 65 then you probably lapped the whole mess up with a spoon. If you were in your 30/40/50's, you likely used some reasonable degree of thought and had at least a few instances of 'did I here that right.' The preceeding based upon the handclapping and bluffs at standing for an ovation.
Maybe my hearing or interpretation is off, but I heard our HC all but call us a village of idiots. Bad Leigh Steinburg. I didn't get offered. I don't know if I would have accepted or not. Social media is very bad. Internet is not to be believed at all times. Somebody got Leigh's access to whatever device it was and put things out that Leigh didn't even say. I love SMU now even more (than I did last weekend). Things are gonna be even better. Let's hold hands and thank Steve O, while singing I love you, you love me, we're a happy family...
And for dessert, let me show you what I do when one of mine gets a little too big in the head. I don't need social media, I just have my assistant create a graphic that I very carefully put together. Forget that the time frame used renders the whole thing irrelevant, I know that you will buy the whole enchilada because, well because, I'm June and I'm here (again) to lead you out of the wilderness of C-USA and into the BE, where we will win championships...not middle of the pack finishes like that overly difficult C-USA. Ahh, things are all good now. Bring on Pittsburgh."
I think this post and half of what is in this thread epitomizes the problem with social media. Someone misreports something or puts an edge on it, people believe it and run with it and you get a version of the truth.
Let's go paragraph by paragraph: "I can't believe what I just listened to at lunch. Now, as a general split or estimate, if you were over 65 then you probably lapped the whole mess up with a spoon. If you were in your 30/40/50's, you likely used some reasonable degree of thought and had at least a few instances of 'did I here that right.' The preceeding based upon the handclapping and bluffs at standing for an ovation." Really? I was one of the 5 30 somethings in the room, seated at a table of a bunch of older folks. And all of them had concerns. Everyone at my table entered with a lot oof questions and were reluctant to applaud when coach stood up, so let's not exaggerate the situation to the folks who were not able to attend.
"Maybe my hearing or interpretation is off, but I heard our HC all but call us a village of idiots. Bad Leigh Steinburg. I didn't get offered. I don't know if I would have accepted or not. Social media is very bad. Internet is not to be believed at all times. Somebody got Leigh's access to whatever device it was and put things out that Leigh didn't even say. I love SMU now even more (than I did last weekend). Things are gonna be even better. Let's hold hands and thank Steve O, while singing I love you, you love me, we're a happy family..."
Not what I heard at all. I thought he made a point by wearing the red shirt. that in itself was a sign that he has heard all the talk and an acknowledgment that he has some rebuilding to do. His explanation of ASU is exactly the way that a lot of high profile people use agents. They do the negotiation and tell me about the results. So, he honestly said he didn't see an offer. And he honestly said that he heard there was some contracts in the work. I thought he answered both questions. And what he said about the blog was that there was a quote someone posted in response to a blog statement that got reported as LS quote, but it wasn't a quote from LS. It is like if someone posted a response to Rienbold's facebook page after he updated his status, and then claiming that Jeff said it. All in all, he expressed his disappointment in LS.
The ultimate example of how social media stretches the truth are the reports in this thread that June said negative stuff about AK or tore down his recruiting abilities, which absolutely did not happen.
"And for dessert, let me show you what I do when one of mine gets a little too big in the head. I don't need social media, I just have my assistant create a graphic that I very carefully put together. Forget that the time frame used renders the whole thing irrelevant, I know that you will buy the whole enchilada because, well because, I'm June and I'm here (again) to lead you out of the wilderness of C-USA and into the BE, where we will win championships...not middle of the pack finishes like that overly difficult C-USA. Ahh, things are all good now. Bring on Pittsburgh."
The presentation was awkward, to say the least. But all Jones said was that the entire staff is involved in recruiting. And that in the past they have all been involved in recruiting. Just because two members of the staff are the most visible or vocal about their efforts doesn't mean that the rest of the staff isn't doing anything. That was the point of the presentation. Just because you interpreted that it was negative about a specific individual doesn't mean that was the intention.
I thought he answered questions well and I thought that he showed empathy and some contrition. Of course, that might be my interpretation .
One note that I think has been left out of this thread - it is important to know that if any of the coaches leave, we have the budget to go and hire really good assistant coaches. And,as a personal aside, because we are in a major conference now, we will have a larger, better pool of assistants to choose from.
Also, another interesting note - in the past, we have had to recruit the way TCU got better - put some offers out on kids that are academic risks in order to try to get the talent into school. Now we are able to recruit kids who have good talent AND the grades. That is the major place the game has changed with this year's class.
JasonB wrote:78pony wrote: "I can't believe what I just listened to at lunch. Now, as a general split or estimate, if you were over 65 then you probably lapped the whole mess up with a spoon. If you were in your 30/40/50's, you likely used some reasonable degree of thought and had at least a few instances of 'did I here that right.' The preceeding based upon the handclapping and bluffs at standing for an ovation.
Maybe my hearing or interpretation is off, but I heard our HC all but call us a village of idiots. Bad Leigh Steinburg. I didn't get offered. I don't know if I would have accepted or not. Social media is very bad. Internet is not to be believed at all times. Somebody got Leigh's access to whatever device it was and put things out that Leigh didn't even say. I love SMU now even more (than I did last weekend). Things are gonna be even better. Let's hold hands and thank Steve O, while singing I love you, you love me, we're a happy family...
And for dessert, let me show you what I do when one of mine gets a little too big in the head. I don't need social media, I just have my assistant create a graphic that I very carefully put together. Forget that the time frame used renders the whole thing irrelevant, I know that you will buy the whole enchilada because, well because, I'm June and I'm here (again) to lead you out of the wilderness of C-USA and into the BE, where we will win championships...not middle of the pack finishes like that overly difficult C-USA. Ahh, things are all good now. Bring on Pittsburgh."
I think this post and half of what is in this thread epitomizes the problem with social media. Someone misreports something or puts an edge on it, people believe it and run with it and you get a version of the truth.
Let's go paragraph by paragraph: "I can't believe what I just listened to at lunch. Now, as a general split or estimate, if you were over 65 then you probably lapped the whole mess up with a spoon. If you were in your 30/40/50's, you likely used some reasonable degree of thought and had at least a few instances of 'did I here that right.' The preceeding based upon the handclapping and bluffs at standing for an ovation." Really? I was one of the 5 30 somethings in the room, seated at a table of a bunch of older folks. And all of them had concerns. Everyone at my table entered with a lot oof questions and were reluctant to applaud when coach stood up, so let's not exaggerate the situation to the folks who were not able to attend.
"Maybe my hearing or interpretation is off, but I heard our HC all but call us a village of idiots. Bad Leigh Steinburg. I didn't get offered. I don't know if I would have accepted or not. Social media is very bad. Internet is not to be believed at all times. Somebody got Leigh's access to whatever device it was and put things out that Leigh didn't even say. I love SMU now even more (than I did last weekend). Things are gonna be even better. Let's hold hands and thank Steve O, while singing I love you, you love me, we're a happy family..."
Not what I heard at all. I thought he made a point by wearing the red shirt. that in itself was a sign that he has heard all the talk and an acknowledgment that he has some rebuilding to do. His explanation of ASU is exactly the way that a lot of high profile people use agents. They do the negotiation and tell me about the results. So, he honestly said he didn't see an offer. And he honestly said that he heard there was some contracts in the work. I thought he answered both questions. And what he said about the blog was that there was a quote someone posted in response to a blog statement that got reported as LS quote, but it wasn't a quote from LS. It is like if someone posted a response to Rienbold's facebook page after he updated his status, and then claiming that Jeff said it. All in all, he expressed his disappointment in LS.
The ultimate example of how social media stretches the truth are the reports in this thread that June said negative stuff about AK or tore down his recruiting abilities, which absolutely did not happen.
"And for dessert, let me show you what I do when one of mine gets a little too big in the head. I don't need social media, I just have my assistant create a graphic that I very carefully put together. Forget that the time frame used renders the whole thing irrelevant, I know that you will buy the whole enchilada because, well because, I'm June and I'm here (again) to lead you out of the wilderness of C-USA and into the BE, where we will win championships...not middle of the pack finishes like that overly difficult C-USA. Ahh, things are all good now. Bring on Pittsburgh."
The presentation was awkward, to say the least. But all Jones said was that the entire staff is involved in recruiting. And that in the past they have all been involved in recruiting. Just because two members of the staff are the most visible or vocal about their efforts doesn't mean that the rest of the staff isn't doing anything. That was the point of the presentation. Just because you interpreted that it was negative about a specific individual doesn't mean that was the intention.
I thought he answered questions well and I thought that he showed empathy and some contrition. Of course, that might be my interpretation .
One note that I think has been left out of this thread - it is important to know that if any of the coaches leave, we have the budget to go and hire really good assistant coaches. And,as a personal aside, because we are in a major conference now, we will have a larger, better pool of assistants to choose from.
Also, another interesting note - in the past, we have had to recruit the way TCU got better - put some offers out on kids that are academic risks in order to try to get the talent into school. Now we are able to recruit kids who have good talent AND the grades. That is the major place the game has changed with this year's class.
Jason B's account is more on the mark than the poorly considered drivel spewed by the June haters. I'm not a June apologist as I think he handled the ASU situation poorly but to rag on him for having an ego is crazy. To the haters-name a successful coach who does not have an ego.
