Former Ill. St. PG Nick Moore Commits to SMU

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I fail to see how recruiting a player from another school is different than recruiting a player out of high school as far as kudos is concerned



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Exactly. Everyone has been PRAISING UNLV for their transfers, but on this board if SMU is involved its never good enough.

I think that is an improper characterization of what we are seeing here. Everyone is thrilled about Larry Brown. We are getting in front of legit high school blue chippers and we have picked up a few nice transfers. I think what people, like me, are pushing back on are comments like this "What a difference a legit coaching staff makes." or "For five years the "past staff" didn't have the resuts LB and staff did in the last several weeks." when comparing the actual results we have seen thus far (although the POTENTIAL RESULTS for LB and staff are unreal). Here is why:

Larry Brown players in his short tenure at SMU:
Turner- former 5 star from Arizona
Head- former 3 star Rivals top 100 guy from Illinois
Moore- Former starting PG at Illinois St.

That is a great list of gets (especially Turner if we get him enrolled) and I am very excited to have all of them. But to say things like the last staff wasn't legit or that in 5 years it didn't achieve the results that this one has would be wrong:

Doherty players in the last 2 years:
Williams- former 4 star from UT, Rivals Top 100
Russell- former 3 star from K State Rivals Top 100
Cotton- former 3 star and highly dated Dallas area recruit from Nevada
Cannen- 4 star Rivals top 100
Blaise- 3 star rovals, 4 star espn and offers from half of the Big East

SMU is going to be a lot, lot better under Larry Brown than it was under Doherty. Tons better. But that does not mean we have to sh*t on Doherty and his staff, or belittle some of the recruiting accomplishments they had, to achieve that success under LB and his.

[MustangIcon]

Also- it sounds like Moore is a baller from everything that everyone has said about him. But I do think it is a little funny to look at the following two bios/freshman stat lines. If you can guess which is the bad_ss transfer and which is someone not worthy of a walk-on spot, you are smarter than me (not saying much).

Player 1:
5'9 170 lbs

10.0 ppg 3.9 apg 2.3 TOpg 2.3 rpg 39% 3pfg 40% fg 29minutespg

Player 2:
5'10 (yah right) 160 lbs

7.4 ppg 3.4 apg 2.3 TOpg 2.2 rpg 39% 3pfg 42% fg 30 minutespg

[DickerJames]

Also- it sounds like Moore is a baller from everything that everyone has said about him. But I do think it is a little funny to look at the following two bios/freshman stat lines. If you can guess which is the bad_ss transfer and which is someone not worthy of a walk-on spot, you are smarter than me (not saying much).

Player 1:
5'9 170 lbs

10.0 ppg 3.9 apg 2.3 TOpg 2.3 rpg 39% 3pfg 40% fg 29minutespg

Player 2:
5'10 (yah right) 160 lbs

7.4 ppg 3.4 apg 2.3 TOpg 2.2 rpg 39% 3pfg 42% fg 30 minutespg

I fail to see how recruiting a player from another school is different than recruiting a player out of high school as far as kudos is concerned



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Exactly. Everyone has been PRAISING UNLV for their transfers, but on this board if SMU is involved its never good enough.

I think that is an improper characterization of what we are seeing here. Everyone is thrilled about Larry Brown. We are getting in front of legit high school blue chippers and we have picked up a few nice transfers. I think what people, like me, are pushing back on are comments like this "What a difference a legit coaching staff makes." or "For five years the "past staff" didn't have the resuts LB and staff did in the last several weeks." when comparing the actual results we have seen thus far (although the POTENTIAL RESULTS for LB and staff are unreal). Here is why:

Larry Brown players in his short tenure at SMU:
Turner- former 5 star from Arizona
Head- former 3 star Rivals top 100 guy from Illinois
Moore- Former starting PG at Illinois St.

That is a great list of gets (especially Turner if we get him enrolled) and I am very excited to have all of them. But to say things like the last staff wasn't legit or that in 5 years it didn't achieve the results that this one has would be wrong:

Doherty players in the last 2 years:
Williams- former 4 star from UT, Rivals Top 100
Russell- former 3 star from K State Rivals Top 100
Cotton- former 3 star and highly dated Dallas area recruit from Nevada
Cannen- 4 star Rivals top 100
Blaise- 3 star rovals, 4 star espn and offers from half of the Big East

SMU is going to be a lot, lot better under Larry Brown than it was under Doherty. Tons better. But that does not mean we have to sh*t on Doherty and his staff, or belittle some of the recruiting accomplishments they had, to achieve that success under LB and his.

We've just endured 6 long years of BRUTAL HELL at moody and you want to compare the star ratings of Dohertys recruits? What is your point? I don't understand how anyone that actually goes to the games would feel the need to be defensive about the suckage of Dohertys tenure.

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My point is EXACTLY as it is laid out above- if you are comparing commit and transfer results that we have had since having LB and making comments that it blows away any of the results of the last staff, then that would be untrue. Albeit the new staff has had very little time and I am really excited for the players we could be getting for 2013 and beyond- very exciting times for SMU Hoops.

The on the court results of the last staff were completely unacceptable. We can all agree there.

[CoxBizGrad]

The relevance is that LB and his staff have been around a very short time whereas Doherty and his staff had five years to right the ship. Unfortunately the ship should have been named the Titanic as it sunk to nearly last place in CUSA. Can't wait to see the progress the current staff will make over the next three years.

[hoyas29]

In the end, being on final lists doesn't really matter, it's all about being the one picked. If we land them, hell, sure, I'm sure most here will agree with you. Until then, LB still has lengths to go to prove himself. Just so everyone knows, he has not won a game yet and has not landed a major recruitment that is not a transfer.

Larry Brown needs to PROVE himself? Umm.....I don't think so.

I probably worded that wrong. Obviously, he doesn't need to prove himself. I understand his resume. However, regarding people praising the fact that we are on the Harrison twin's list of schools essentially makes us a powerhouse is false. While it is without a doubt that it is because of Larry that we got on their lists, it will take a few commitments from current high school players of the same level for him to really get there recruiting-wise.

As I mentioned in the sentences before my post, I was referring to the fact that we are just on the lists of players, none have committed aside from transfers. A commitment from a player of that caliber (Harrison twins ain't comin' here) will be all that is needed. To me, it looks like he is well on his way and I could not be more pleased. He needs time, and it is perfectly understandable that he has not gotten such a commitment yet. When all is said and done, however, it is about who signs with us and who doesn't, and that is where I commented that Larry Brown has to prove himself.

[hoopmanx]

mustangicon won this thread. Some of you should re-read his posts carefully ie dickerjames.

Two other tidbits;

1) There is no Harrison twin list, its Maryland and Kentucky. SMU has no chance whatsoever and are only listing SMU b/c Aaron Sr wanted a Brown offer. They are at Maryland as I type and just stopped by, caught everyone off guard. They visit again next month. Do you people even know what SMU would have to do to get the twins.

2) Again, the staff has no clue if they can get Josiah admitted. Some of you should slow your roll

[DickerJames]

mustangicon won this thread. Some of you should re-read his posts carefully ie dickerjames.

Two other tidbits;

1) There is no Harrison twin list, its Maryland and Kentucky. SMU has no chance whatsoever and are only listing SMU b/c Aaron Sr wanted a Brown offer. They are at Maryland as I type and just stopped by, caught everyone off guard. They visit again next month. Do you people even know what SMU would have to do to get the twins.

2) Again, the staff has no clue if they can get Josiah admitted. Some of you should slow your roll

HaHa......won the tread? I didn't realize we were competing. Mustangicon is a reasonable poster on this board and I understand he was just trying to correct over zealous statements, but I still don't understand the desire to do so. We have just emerged from the Sahara Desert of the college basketball world and the Oasis is on the horizon. The thought of a cool drink of success after SIX LONG HORRIBLE YEARS OF UNBELIEVABLE BOREDOM AND FUTILITY at Moody has most people really excited about all of the incredibly positive news surrounding this program since Larry Brown.

Now you Hoopmanx are FOS and a huge bore. Get over Doherty already and quit trying to be Debbie Downer on every....single....piece....of good news that gets posted on here!

[Grant Carter]

I do not understand how you can recognize that he was correcting overzealous statements but not understand why he would do so. Seems like a very reasonable reason to post.

[hoopmanx]

mustangicon won this thread. Some of you should re-read his posts carefully ie dickerjames.

Two other tidbits;

1) There is no Harrison twin list, its Maryland and Kentucky. SMU has no chance whatsoever and are only listing SMU b/c Aaron Sr wanted a Brown offer. They are at Maryland as I type and just stopped by, caught everyone off guard. They visit again next month. Do you people even know what SMU would have to do to get the twins.

2) Again, the staff has no clue if they can get Josiah admitted. Some of you should slow your roll

HaHa......won the tread? I didn't realize we were competing. Mustangicon is a reasonable poster on this board and I understand he was just trying to correct over zealous statements, but I still don't understand the desire to do so. We have just emerged from the Sahara Desert of the college basketball world and the Oasis is on the horizon. The thought of a cool drink of success after SIX LONG HORRIBLE YEARS OF UNBELIEVABLE BOREDOM AND FUTILITY at Moody has most people really excited about all of the incredibly positive news surrounding this program since Larry Brown.

Now you Hoopmanx are FOS and a huge bore. Get over Doherty already and quit trying to be Debbie Downer on every....single....piece....of good news that gets posted on here!

You clearly have no clue as to my stance on Doherty, nor do you properly grasp how much venom he received from me for performance, after the position was rehabbed. My take was always based on what was right for the position & program at the time, not liking Doh. I've never liked Doh. I feel no need to rehash, but if you think I need to 'get over Doherty,' you're w/o a clue. Between me killing Doh this year & Orsini's gestapo of an AD, I've been public enemy #1 for 8 months or so. Maybe not #1, but you get the point lol. Since I work in hoops marketing, they called my place of work to discuss my boisterous opinions w/my boss. So, STFU, you haven't a clue. That's what happens when you have enough info to protect a staff, you also have enough to burn them down when the time comes.

Brown has been maybe my favorite American hoops coach for maybe 10 years or so. Beyond that, I've never been closer to an SMU staff than this one. There is no Debbie Downer here, just rational discussion about what has and hasn't happened thus far, not polyanna reach-arounds. When someone says we've emerged from the Sahara desert that's about as premature as it gets.

Josiah hasn't been admitted and might not be. Guess what, that's why we took Moore, not b/c we want two PGs, one very small, the exact same year, w/the same eligibility. That's what you call a hedge, my man. We have offers out to every elite PG in '14, w/Mudiaye being the #1 prority for us in the entire class. We didnt even decide to bring Moore in to visit until almost 6 weeks after he declared he was leaving ISU, and we had Jank as an in? That's a reaction to Turner and a hedge against admissions and/or Josiah's inability to straighten up.

Basically, we won't know jack about how the roster is playing out, until the '13 class signs & our next round of attrition. Until then, from a rational perspective, the staff has done amazing work for the programs brand and getting us noticed by elite prospects. In terms of actual results, we're batting around 500, maybe

[DickerJames]

I do not understand how you can recognize that he was correcting overzealous statements but not understand why he would do so. Seems like a very reasonable reason to post.

Let me put it another way. Why does every positive post have to be scrutinized and sent to FactChecker.com? People are excited, don't shave their buzz is my theory.

[DickerJames]

In the end, being on final lists doesn't really matter, it's all about being the one picked. If we land them, hell, sure, I'm sure most here will agree with you. Until then, LB still has lengths to go to prove himself. Just so everyone knows, he has not won a game yet and has not landed a major recruitment that is not a transfer.

Larry Brown needs to PROVE himself? Umm.....I don't think so.

I probably worded that wrong. Obviously, he doesn't need to prove himself. I understand his resume. However, regarding people praising the fact that we are on the Harrison twin's list of schools essentially makes us a powerhouse is false. While it is without a doubt that it is because of Larry that we got on their lists, it will take a few commitments from current high school players of the same level for him to really get there recruiting-wise.

As I mentioned in the sentences before my post, I was referring to the fact that we are just on the lists of players, none have committed aside from transfers. A commitment from a player of that caliber (Harrison twins ain't comin' here) will be all that is needed. To me, it looks like he is well on his way and I could not be more pleased. He needs time, and it is perfectly understandable that he has not gotten such a commitment yet. When all is said and done, however, it is about who signs with us and who doesn't, and that is where I commented that Larry Brown has to prove himself.

I do not believe we have a legitimate shot at the twins nor do I believe making their list has turned us into a powerhouse. I just happen to think its pretty cool and VERY encouraging about what the future holds.

[DickerJames]

mustangicon won this thread. Some of you should re-read his posts carefully ie dickerjames.

Two other tidbits;

1) There is no Harrison twin list, its Maryland and Kentucky. SMU has no chance whatsoever and are only listing SMU b/c Aaron Sr wanted a Brown offer. They are at Maryland as I type and just stopped by, caught everyone off guard. They visit again next month. Do you people even know what SMU would have to do to get the twins.

2) Again, the staff has no clue if they can get Josiah admitted. Some of you should slow your roll

HaHa......won the tread? I didn't realize we were competing. Mustangicon is a reasonable poster on this board and I understand he was just trying to correct over zealous statements, but I still don't understand the desire to do so. We have just emerged from the Sahara Desert of the college basketball world and the Oasis is on the horizon. The thought of a cool drink of success after SIX LONG HORRIBLE YEARS OF UNBELIEVABLE BOREDOM AND FUTILITY at Moody has most people really excited about all of the incredibly positive news surrounding this program since Larry Brown.

Now you Hoopmanx are FOS and a huge bore. Get over Doherty already and quit trying to be Debbie Downer on every....single....piece....of good news that gets posted on here!

You clearly have no clue as to my stance on Doherty, nor do you properly grasp how much venom he received from me for performance, after the position was rehabbed. My take was always based on what was right for the position & program at the time, not liking Doh. I've never liked Doh. I feel no need to rehash, but if you think I need to 'get over Doherty,' you're w/o a clue. Between me killing Doh this year & Orsini's gestapo of an AD, I've been public enemy #1 for 8 months or so. Maybe not #1, but you get the point lol. Since I work in hoops marketing, they called my place of work to discuss my boisterous opinions w/my boss. So, STFU, you haven't a clue. That's what happens when you have enough info to protect a staff, you also have enough to burn them down when the time comes.

Brown has been maybe my favorite American hoops coach for maybe 10 years or so. Beyond that, I've never been closer to an SMU staff than this one. There is no Debbie Downer here, just rational discussion about what has and hasn't happened thus far, not polyanna reach-arounds. When someone says we've emerged from the Sahara desert that's about as premature as it gets.

Josiah hasn't been admitted and might not be. Guess what, that's why we took Moore, not b/c we want two PGs, one very small, the exact same year, w/the same eligibility. That's what you call a hedge, my man. We have offers out to every elite PG in '14, w/Mudiaye being the #1 prority for us in the entire class. We didnt even decide to bring Moore in to visit until almost 6 weeks after he declared he was leaving ISU, and we had Jank as an in? That's a reaction to Turner and a hedge against admissions and/or Josiah's inability to straighten up.

Basically, we won't know jack about how the roster is playing out, until the '13 class signs & our next round of attrition. Until then, from a rational perspective, the staff has done amazing work for the programs brand and getting us noticed by elite prospects. In terms of actual results, we're batting around 500, maybe

Hey Know It All, you are still FOS and a complete bore. Does your boss know that you spend all of your time on this board pretending to be a basketball genius instead of working?

[hoopmanx]

So how am I full of it, again? I may be a bore, but when it comes to this program, have you ever noticed I never get shut out? You know why? Cause a good portion of my career is hoops. My boss hired me for that know-it-all,brash, persona. Oh yeah, you should thank my boss for the 7ft big visiting today, just saying.

Why is it you've made several posts on this thread, and all are cheerleader rah rah garbage. Ever talk actual basketball, roster planning, recruiting, any of it?

[SMUfrat]

So how am I full of it, again? I may be a bore, but when it comes to this program, have you ever noticed I never get shut out? You know why? Cause a good portion of my career is hoops. My boss hired me for that know-it-all,brash, persona. Oh yeah, you should thank my boss for the 7ft big visiting today, just saying.

Why is it you've made several posts on this thread, and all are cheerleader rah rah garbage. Ever talk actual basketball, roster planning, recruiting, any of it?

What exactly do you do hoopmanx?

Although I'm on the sidelines of this cat-fight, I can appreciate what both of yall are saying. Hopefully LB is a bridge builder, building a lasting bridge of strength and structure for the future success of SMU basketball.

-kai-