StallionsModelT wrote: I'd rather go 3-9 and know we weren't scared of anyone than go 8-4 with five wins against teams that should drop their football programs..
You do know that if we went 3-9 it would really hurt our recruiting. Getting blasted by Baylor and aTm did not do well for the morale of the fans and team. But beating a really bad Houston team seemed to help the morale of the fans and team. Let's not try to schedule to high trying to be macho and lose sight of what are.
"We will play man to man and we will pick you up at the airport." - Larry Brown
I give up. We have THE WORST fans in the country. Five years into paying a coach 2MM a year and we are trying to get away from playing games that actually matter. Talk about battered wives syndrome.
Given the team's slow start this season (which has to do with our OCC scheduling, can't ignore that at all), I'd be happy if we finished 6-6. It would actually give me a lot of hope going forward. The defense usually does a great job, though susceptible to the hurry-up offense, that if our offense starts clicking more, we could surprise a few Big East teams. We wont be challenging for the championship, but it would be nice to beat a few Big East teams, and I think we'll be able to do that. However, I just don't see June and co. being the staff we need in order to consistently beat Big East teams. We have the resources, but more importantly the thirst, to turn our program into a top tier Big East program.
SMT is onto something, whether we want to admit it or not. Let's look at that big, bad OOC this year: Baylor, a mediocre BCS team with virtually no defense, blew us out of the water. aTm, better competition than Baylor but certainly not a top-tier SEC team does the same in our own place. TCU (see Baylor), comes in and we basically give them the game. Like it or not, teams like this are our new conference reality starting next year. The Big East has several above average to quite good teams in it, and if we can't/won't compete at that level then why the hell are we moving (other than the money)? If we scheduled Alabama and Florida as OOC to start the year with a brand new QB, then I might buy the whole "we over-scheduled" argument. But we didn't; we scheduled the caliber of of teams that make up our new conference, and we are whining that we can't hang with them. That ain't a scheduling problem, that's a team prep problem and perhaps an overinflated sense of self-worth when we proclaimed to the world we were "BCS ready". Time for the admin and coaching staff to suck it up and figure out a way to compete rather than try to wiggle out of games and replace them with the SFA's of the world.
"I don't think anyone around the country has any idea how good we are going to be." - Coach Justin Stepp
Its the culture of SMU fans. Well since we sucked for so long I'm happy with just being mediocre and getting our doors blown off by anyone of substance.
Meanwhile programs like La Tech damn near take down A&M, ULM almost beats Auburn and Baylor, and TCU well.....
If we don't expect and demand greatness then who will? It sure as hell won't be RGT/Hart. Demand/expect more. Otherwise get the hell out. I have no interest in beating the UTEP's of the world for the next 20 years and losing any games of relevance.
StallionsModelT wrote:Its the culture of SMU fans. Well since we sucked for so long I'm happy with just being mediocre and getting our doors blown off by anyone of substance.
Meanwhile programs like La Tech damn near take down A&M, ULM almost beats Auburn and Baylor, and TCU well.....
If we don't expect and demand greatness then who will? It sure as hell won't be RGT/Hart. Demand/expect more. Otherwise get the hell out. I have no interest in beating the UTEP's of the world for the next 20 years and losing any games of relevance.
Annual conference contention is what I want. Last year UH rode the momentum of beating several cupcakes to a 1 loss season. Playing those cupcakes increased confidence. Sometimes getting creamed by several good teams makes you better (see Tulsa last year). But let's not forget who went to the conference title game. All I'm saying is there are two equally supported schools of thought. And not very many SMU fans showed up for the Aggies...if we want to continue to survive on other school's fans, then by all means continue these crazy gauntlets of BCS teams in OOC. I advocate for a middle ground. Of course I want to continue TCU at all cost. I just don't think we need Tech, Baylor and A&M in addition. Why is it so horrible to play 2 cupcakes when you're playing in a power conference? Would it be so bad to play Rice and UNT rather than Tech and Baylor? And of course I would love a game in San Marcos or at at UTSA every once in a while. We have virtually no exposure down here. Many San Antonians have never heard of us. Just as an aside, the Whorns are not complaining about their games with Rice and Wyoming. Do you really think an 0-12 season in our first BE year is going to be good for recruiting? I thought we'd win one out of 3 this year. Turns out we didn't and now thanks to a great effort by Ryan Griffin, we find ourselves in a huge hole needing to win out to have a respectful season...wanting tuneup games does not represent a loser mentality. It represents a realistic attitude with an understanding that no one marches on the field and plays as good as they will in week 8 in week 1. A&M, Baylor and TCU understand this and have been scheduling us accordingly. The only one talking about not scheduling us in the future is TCU. That's because we've been competitive with them for a couple years and they need sure fire wins....u went to SMU...didn't they teach you to think critically?
SMU 86 wrote:PK, I think we are looking at reality over high expectations.
Here is the problem with what you are calling reality. If our players are that low in talent as to not be able to be competitive with our old conference mates, then we need a coach who can recruit the players that can. If our players are actually talented enough to be cometitive with our old conference mates, but are not being coached properly, then we need a coach who can use that talent effectively. Either way we need a coaching change. If our current coach can do what's necessary to change the current situation that is fine with me, but if not then we need to find one that can. As an SMU alum and fan of our teams I have expectations that to my way of thinking are not unreasonable. We should be compeitive with our old SWC mates. The only difference I see compared to them is that we have waited too long to get headed that dirrection. If we want to return our national stature to what it was pre DP then we need to play these teams and at least be competitve...which gets me back to my earlier statement...If our current coach can do what's necessary to change the current situation that is fine with me, but if not then we need to find one that can.
SMU's first president, Robert S. Hyer, selected Harvard Crimson and Yale Blue as SMU's colors to symbolize SMU's high academic standards. We are one of the few Universities to have school colors with real meaning...and we just blow them off.
Wow, can't believe what I am reading. Imagine for a moment that we had a chance to join the old SWC, June and some ponyfans talk like they would not join, since the competition is too hard.
Shooting for .500 should no longer be the goal. Playing directional Louisiana schools for easy wins won't cut it for us if we want to be relevant in the new college football landscape. If June or anyone does not want compete at the highest level, please go somewhere else. Being Hawaii is not good enough. I want to be the SMU that wasn't afraid to take on Texas. Remember those days.
An atheist is a guy who watches a Notre Dame-SMU football game and
doesn't care who wins.
-- Dwight D. Eisenhower
SMU 86 wrote:PK, I think we are looking at reality over high expectations.
Here is the problem with what you are calling reality. If our players are that low in talent as to not be able to be competitive with our old conference mates, then we need a coach who can recruit the players that can. If our players are actually talented enough to be cometitive with our old conference mates, but are not being coached properly, then we need a coach who can use that talent effectively. Either way we need a coaching change. If our current coach can do what's necessary to change the current situation that is fine with me, but if not then we need to find one that can. As an SMU alum and fan of our teams I have expectations that to my way of thinking are not unreasonable. We should be compeitive with our old SWC mates. The only difference I see compared to them is that we have waited too long to get headed that dirrection. If we want to return our national stature to what it was pre DP then we need to play these teams and at least be competitve...which gets me back to my earlier statement...If our current coach can do what's necessary to change the current situation that is fine with me, but if not then we need to find one that can.
