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Re: SMU Nike Pro Combat Retro Jerseys (Revised) Doak, Levias

Postby ojaipony » Tue Nov 26, 2013 1:32 pm

SMUer wrote:SMU1523:

I totally agree with you on all points. How cool would be to show the team Pony Express highlights the night befor the game and then have them don that jersey the next day? Or the receivers Jerry LeVias highlights and wearing those? Our players have no connection to those teams in our current jerseys. We dominated in the days of Doak. Give these kids that feeling if connection to our dominant past. Plus, I think we'd actually be seen as innovative if we brought out the khaki pants. The NFL has a lot of success with its retro jersey sales....I think if we did it, it would be surprising and you'd soon see schools like USC, Ohio State and Michigan follow suit with a retro throwback too.

Why we don't use LeVias as an olive branch to S. Dallas is beyond me.


I agree with all of this! If we were winning, we could get great national ESPN press for doing this and starting a great trend . . . of course, we would need extremely energetic/motivated marketing people, AD, and HC.
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Re: SMU Nike Pro Combat Retro Jerseys (Revised) Doak, Levias

Postby ojaipony » Tue Nov 26, 2013 1:33 pm

Stlhockeyguy02 wrote:Just send them to Hart everyday until he tells you to stop.


This! ^^^
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Re: SMU Nike Pro Combat Retro Jerseys (Revised) Doak, Levias

Postby SMU1523 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:45 pm

SoCal_Pony,

You asked me my thoughts on the 2010 Armed Forces Bowl Jerseys and the 1983 Retro Uniform.

2010 Armed Forces Bowl Jerseys:

I am somewhat split on this subject. I truly like the idea when schools tweak their uniforms for a bowl game (see example below: TCU and Purdue adding a rose to their helmet decal).

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I believe the uniform could have looked worse. I wouldn't say it looked good, but it definitely could have been worse. What I didn't understand was the reasoning of wearing our competition's color to honor them. There are several ways to honor your opponent and the military without wearing their colors. Since we lost the game it really makes the black uniforms feel like a half baked idea. My theory is June (and probably the team) wanted black jerseys and that was the easiest way to justify it.

From a marketing/brand standpoint it was stupid. A bowl game is an excellent avenue to showcase your school to the rest of the country and we decided to wear our opponents colors. I imagine it was very confusing at times to an average college football fan watching the game to figure out which team was which.

At the end of the day, my critique is not necessarily on the design of the black jerseys (they were our primary Adidas jersey pattern recolored), but the reasoning behind it. Like I stated earlier, to me it seemed illogical, half baked, and was a poor marketing decision.

As far as tweaking uniforms for bowl games, I thought it would have been cool to do an alternate decal for our white helmets for the Hawaii Bowl last year (similar to the TCU and Purdue rose bowl decals). I saw a design (maybe on a t-shirt or greek shirt) with Peruna donning a Hawaiian lei. Although I do not have the image, I recreated a similar one below. It would have been a small tweak, to honor the team for making a bowl game.

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1983 Retro Uniform

First off, I would like to applaud our excellent AD, Rick Hart for listening and making changes. Rick seems to understand tradition and branding. I cannot praise Rick Hart enough for bringing back the blue jerseys.

As far as the critique goes, it wasn't necessarily a 1983 retro uniform, it was a 1983 retro jersey and they also missed a few key things:

- No stripes on the pants
- Font, Font Height, and Kerning (spacing between letters) were all off
- Helmet stripe was too thin (and honestly is too thin for any SMU football uniform)

To pull off a retro uniform, SMU cannot overlook this kind of stuff. Detail is extremely important in design work. I give SMU a B+ for effort for the 1983 retro uniforms. Also, the original mockup that was released from the athletic department looked a lot better than what was actually produced (you must execute all the way through production, someone somewhere has to be approving the work).

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Thank you very much for your compliments!

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Re: SMU Nike Pro Combat Retro Jerseys (Revised) Doak, Levias

Postby SMU1523 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:50 pm

SMUer,

Let me know if you need any of the other ones.

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Re: SMU Nike Pro Combat Retro Jerseys (Revised) Doak, Levias

Postby SMUer » Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:08 pm

Killer, thanks! Your work has been imortalized on our blog!
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Re: SMU Nike Pro Combat Retro Jerseys (Revised) Doak, Levias

Postby ponyboy » Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:28 pm

What blog?
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Re: SMU Nike Pro Combat Retro Jerseys (Revised) Doak, Levias

Postby Tx_Mustang10 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:53 pm

That dark blue jersey is absolutely killer. I hope we see that on the field one day.
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Re: SMU Nike Pro Combat Retro Jerseys (Revised) Doak, Levias

Postby SMUer » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:13 pm

ponyboy wrote:What blog?

http://smuredandbluearmy.blogspot.com/
Nothing spectacular. I throw SMU-centric pictures, youtube clips, opponent taunts on there from time to time...sort of a SMU media archive
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Re: SMU Nike Pro Combat Retro Jerseys (Revised) Doak, Levias

Postby ponyboy » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:25 pm

Very nice. Thanks.
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Re: SMU Nike Pro Combat Retro Jerseys (Revised) Doak, Levias

Postby Treadway21 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:04 pm

For the armed services bowl, the 1983 retro, and the red helmets, we used our regular season helmets and pants and only changed the jerseys. It makes the efforts look half as-ed.

I agree attention to detail and marketing make these uniform changes a big deal. For whatever reason our staff and Ath Dept don't get it. If we are going to do it and we should we should do it right. That's why us die hard fans get frustrated.
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Re: SMU Nike Pro Combat Retro Jerseys (Revised) Doak, Levias

Postby PonyKai » Tue Nov 26, 2013 8:41 pm

SMU1523 wrote:What I didn't understand was the reasoning of wearing our competition's color to honor them.


Because we don't have the sack to say: "The players wanted to wear black if they made a bowl game, and they made a bowl game. So shut up and f*cking deal with it."
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Re: SMU Nike Pro Combat Retro Jerseys (Revised) Doak, Levias

Postby DanFreibergerForHeisman » Tue Nov 26, 2013 8:45 pm

I find the whole "honor the opponent" thing very hard to believe. June wanted to wear black so we did and they had to come up with some spin because of the backlash.
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Re: SMU Nike Pro Combat Retro Jerseys (Revised) Doak, Levias

Postby redpony » Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:15 pm

hey - 1523 you need to start a uniform company ala UA, nike. SMU could be your first customer. great work- thanks for the effort.
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SMU Nike Pro Combat Retro Jerseys (Revised) Doak, Levias, ED

Postby HarvCrimYaleBlue » Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:18 pm

A few thoughts about ye ole black jerseys:

That year it was en vogue to wear black.

We did a 'black out' so you could not tell SMU fans from Army. So the stadium was all black, effectively supporting SMU.

We honored the Army, not necessarily a football opponent. I think the honoring thing was just an after thought though to seal the deal.

Must have been asleep. Fixed the gold/black craziness, thanks for waking me up STL.
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Re: SMU Nike Pro Combat Retro Jerseys (Revised) Doak, Levias

Postby PonyKai » Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:02 pm

I don't think that's correct.
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