Interesting article on the Leach fiasco

FWMustangGirl · Post by **FWMustangGirl** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:15 pm

http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/1657819.html?storylink=omni_popular

RGV Pony · Post by **RGV Pony** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:21 pm

the author-Jason Whitlock-sounds familiar. Did he used to be at the DMN?

In Tate We Trust · Post by **In Tate We Trust** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:26 pm

Nope. Before his current gig at the Kansas City star, he had stops at the Bloomington Herald Times, The Charlotte Observer and the Ann Arbor News. You might be thinking of Keith Whitemire.

ponyinNC · Post by **ponyinNC** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:28 pm

horribly written article which implies that James/ESPN are the instigators. Bottom line, you lock my son in a closet for 3 hours with a guard ouside as punishment for a concussion...and you and me are going to have a problem. Regardless of his status as a espn/abc broadcaster, CJ is a father first. Like any father, you fight for your child. Whether Adam was lazy, mouthy, or a good player, Leach as a human being should know that locking someone's kid in a closet for hours at a time is wrong. period.

Leach is lucky that he is not facing criminal charges at this point...e.g., false imprisonment claims. He is also lucky that CJ didn't kick his @ss personally, as most fathers would have done.

smupony94 · Post by **smupony94** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:33 pm

Maybe CJ can get advice from Phil

ozfan · Post by **ozfan** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:46 pm

ponyinNC wrote:horribly written article which implies that James/ESPN are the instigators. Bottom line, you lock my son in a closet for 3 hours with a guard ouside as punishment for a concussion...and you and me are going to have a problem. Regardless of his status as a espn/abc broadcaster, CJ is a father first. Like any father, you fight for your child. Whether Adam was lazy, mouthy, or a good player, Leach as a human being should know that locking someone's kid in a closet for hours at a time is wrong. period.

Leach is lucky that he is not facing criminal charges at this point...e.g., false imprisonment claims. He is also lucky that CJ didn't kick his @ss personally, as most fathers would have done.

Do not let your child join the marines he could end up locked in a dumpster with his squad in the sun.
A trick marine drill instructors used to get your attention. If he is the contributing factor for the punishment he will receive a vist from his squad after lights out.

Insane_Pony_Posse · Post by **Insane_Pony_Posse** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:08 pm

ponyinNC wrote: Bottom line, you lock my son in a closet for 3 hours with a guard ouside as punishment for a concussion...and you and me are going to have a problem. Leach as a human being should know that locking someone's kid in a closet for hours at a time is wrong. period.

"closet"?....what a crock of BS!
have you seen this so-called "closet"?
a "guard"?.....yeah sure like an armed guard?...lol
Adam James is a wuss x 10!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZW-vTsPV5A

Phxfan · Post by **Phxfan** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:25 pm

Insane_Pony_Posse wrote:
ponyinNC wrote: Bottom line, you lock my son in a closet for 3 hours with a guard ouside as punishment for a concussion...and you and me are going to have a problem. Leach as a human being should know that locking someone's kid in a closet for hours at a time is wrong. period.

"closet"?....what a crock of BS!
have you seen this so-called "closet"?
a "guard"?.....yeah sure like an armed guard?...lol
Adam James is a wuss x 10!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZW-vTsPV5A

Depends on who you believe. Someone on one of these threads made the comment, what if your boss put you, or made you go into a closet with someone posted out front, guard or not, under threat of losing your job? The kid did not sign up for the Marines either.

Stallion · Post by **Stallion** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:40 pm

Plus there is a discrepancy in the eveidence. Leach's attorney has one video-James allegedly took his own video from electrical room where he said he was held. One would assume they lock those type of buildings when not in use-which would appear to lend credance to the James video. Clearly, two different places

http://www.faniq.com/blog/Adam-James-el ... Blog-34240

Insane_Pony_Posse · Post by **Insane_Pony_Posse** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:57 pm

it all boils to daddy
adam james was playing at tech because daddy made a call
now this incident became major news because daddy works at ESPN
the whiny punk had to sit in a darkened room 2-3 hours
big freaking deal...the doctor already said didn't amount to a hill of beans
please please please dont bring daddy's boy to smu

Cadillac · Post by **Cadillac** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:13 pm

ozfan wrote:
Do not let your child join the marines he could end up locked in a dumpster with his squad in the sun.
A trick marine drill instructors used to get your attention. If he is the contributing factor for the punishment he will receive a vist from his squad after lights out.

There's a reason that KW2 was brutally mocked for refering to himself as a "Solja" back in his Miami days. They aren't marines, they aren't soldiers. They're football players, and there is a world of difference between the two.

Even with that said, punishment in the military has been toned down considerably in the past 20 years, and I for one won't take that as any indication that our military lacks toughness as a result.

-CoS

couch 'em · Post by **couch 'em** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:22 pm

The storage shed vs the electrical room really makes no difference. Neither was particularly small based on the videos.

The real question is this: What would happen if he tried to leave?
1. the guard would physically restrain him
or
2. the guard would rat him out to Leach for leaving, who would kick him off the team.

Huge difference between 1 and 2.

smuuth · Post by **smuuth** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:56 pm

Seems like everyone has an opinion yet little information is available. How about this: the firing would have eventually happened at some time if not now because Leach thought that he was "the boss" and nobody could tell him what to do. He believed that himself and nobody else was responsible for the success of the program. He was responsible for the great success and following at TT. He was responsible for the increased attendance. He was responsible for the increased revenues which funded the athletic program. How dare an AD or school president tell him what to do. All he had to do was to explain himself and apologize if his actions were misconstrued. Instead he lawyered up and refused to cooperate with the very people who were trying to save him. Leach forgot that he played a big part but he is not indispensible. He is really leaving a great situation that he helped build. What a shame! Instead he becomes a sad figure who blew it following in the footsteps of Bobby Knight, Woody Hayes and all the rest of the coaches out there who became bullies instead of teachers of young men.

panhandle_pony · Post by **panhandle_pony** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:02 pm

Well stated smuuth

centexstang · Post by **centexstang** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:59 pm

Lew Holtz had a pretty good answer--Leave injured players with doctors and trainers because he was neither and return them to him (Holtz) when they were ready.

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