Kingsbury bonuses

smusic 00 · Post by **smusic 00** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 12:13 pm

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/colleg ... -table.ece

Says he'll get a $50k bonus for keeping attendance above 95%.

Also gets a bonus based on team GPA.
Holding a head coach accountable?

ojaipony · Post by **ojaipony** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 12:18 pm

I always assumed that there were all kind of incentives in contracts of this nature (wins, etc) -- attendance is an interesting one as there are a lot of things that impact that outside of the HC (although WINS and ENGAGEMENT really help).

smusic 00 · Post by **smusic 00** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 12:21 pm

But I think it goes to our situation when blame gets deflected everywhere but the chief.

ghost · Post by **ghost** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 12:30 pm

You can't blame the chief, whoever that is. A successful program takes all factions pulling together in the same direction with a goal and how that goal will be attained. Just having a head coach who calls plays and wins is not enough. Start with the little things and work your way up. Administration, students, board members, surrounding community, extended communities, alumni....that way everyone can take ownership good or bad. SMU is just a blame it on the head coach and ad university now. Too many are saying win and make everything perfect and then we will support the program. It doesn't work like that.

SMUer · Post by **SMUer** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 12:32 pm

That's why CEOs never ever get fired.

mrydel · Post by **mrydel** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 12:38 pm

Tell that to George Zimmerman, or Nixon.

smusic 00 · Post by **smusic 00** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:46 pm

ghost wrote:You can't blame the chief, whoever that is. A successful program takes all factions pulling together in the same direction with a goal and how that goal will be attained. Just having a head coach who calls plays and wins is not enough. Start with the little things and work your way up. Administration, students, board members, surrounding community, extended communities, alumni....that way everyone can take ownership good or bad. SMU is just a blame it on the head coach and ad university now. Too many are saying win and make everything perfect and then we will support the program. It doesn't work like that.

The point here is that the head coach is incentivized(?) to draw fans. The parties of that contract both agreed that the head coach plays a large role in drawing and sustaining fan support. Who best to communicate with "Administration, students, board members, surrounding community, extended communities, alumni?" I'd rather hear it from the coach than an associate AD or a commercial with a chemistry lab.

CA Mustang · Post by **CA Mustang** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:43 pm

mrydel wrote:Tell that to George Zimmerman, or Nixon.

Now wait, you can't list a criminal right after a good guy!

Mustangsabu · Post by **Mustangsabu** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:01 pm

smusic 00 wrote:http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/college-sports/texas-tech-red-raiders/20131212-texas-tech-s-kliff-kingsbury-has-made-75000-in-bonuses-with-an-incentive-still-on-the-table.ece

Says he'll get a $50k bonus for keeping attendance above 95%.

Also gets a bonus based on team GPA.
Holding a head coach accountable?

I like that idea, but I can't imagine a coach not laughing when discussing an attendance bonus at SMU.

stc9 · Post by **stc9** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:16 pm

Mustangsabu wrote:
smusic 00 wrote:http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/college-sports/texas-tech-red-raiders/20131212-texas-tech-s-kliff-kingsbury-has-made-75000-in-bonuses-with-an-incentive-still-on-the-table.ece

Says he'll get a $50k bonus for keeping attendance above 95%.

Also gets a bonus based on team GPA.
Holding a head coach accountable?
I like that idea, but I can't imagine a coach not laughing when discussing an attendance bonus at SMU.

That is the easiest thing in the world to sell at SMU. Our current season average is roughly 50% to 60% of capacity. If you are negotiating the contact, I want an additional $10k for each 5% increase over 50%. We are at a point after the "dark" years that our attendance probably cannot get much worse. There isn't much of a downside for the coach and the school would agree to it because the bonus could be paid out of the increased revenue. Imagine being at Alabama having this same deal when playing UT-Chattanooga, Colorado State or Georgia St.

Mustangsabu · Post by **Mustangsabu** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:18 pm

Ok, I guess I had not fully considered it. I would still maintain that a coach is unlikely to accept such a "bonus" as a serious component of his wage structure at SMU.

feelthehorsepower · Post by **feelthehorsepower** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:23 pm

stc9 wrote:
Mustangsabu wrote:
smusic 00 wrote:http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/college-sports/texas-tech-red-raiders/20131212-texas-tech-s-kliff-kingsbury-has-made-75000-in-bonuses-with-an-incentive-still-on-the-table.ece

Says he'll get a $50k bonus for keeping attendance above 95%.

Also gets a bonus based on team GPA.
Holding a head coach accountable?
I like that idea, but I can't imagine a coach not laughing when discussing an attendance bonus at SMU.
That is the easiest thing in the world to sell at SMU. Our current season average is roughly 50% to 60% of capacity. If you are negotiating the contact, I want an additional $10k for each 5% increase over 50%. We are at a point after the "dark" years that our attendance probably cannot get much worse. There isn't much of a downside for the coach and the school would agree to it because the bonus could be paid out of the increased revenue. Imagine being at Alabama having this same deal when playing UT-Chattanooga, Colorado State or Georgia St.

I like how Kingsbury's contract's incentives are pointed towards what the school sees as a priority: attendance, gpa and winning/showing up at bowl games. Let's put this on June's contract.

ojaipony · Post by **ojaipony** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:51 pm

There should absolutely be incentives above base. Wins, bowls, type of bowls, attendance (% increases could be good). Should include all your relevant KPIs. Exec compensation 101.

redpony · Post by **redpony** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 6:07 pm

there should also be a recruiting requirement bonus. +5k for each recruit that has 4* or min. of 4BCS offers and a deduct of 5k for each recruit with 2* or less than 2 BCS offers.

I also think the attendance 'bonus' should be based on total season attendance, not just a specific game. Of course if we drop a lot of our major games (A&M,BU, TCU etc.) then it might not make any difference.

mrydel · Post by **mrydel** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:06 pm

Put an attendance incentive in a coach's contract at SMU and see how many apply.